They were both heavily exhausted after their fight against the Watchers and the Queen Beast. Even before that, they were fighting entire armies non-stop. Basically, PIS. Is the same as Zack getting shot by infantry in FFVII or Crisis Core even though he can beat the likes of Ifrit, Bahamut, and Minerva.Haven’t played Drakengard but didn’t these two die in the final ending to the military?
Exhausted doesn’t drastically reduce durability. I admit I’m just going off that ending since I haven’t played it.They were both heavily exhausted after their fight against the Watchers and the Queen Beast. Even before that, they were fighting entire armies non-stop. Basically, PIS. Is the same as Zack getting shot by infantry in FFVII or Crisis Core even though he can beat the likes of Ifrit, Bahamut, and Minerva.
Yotsuba: No22 has been hit.
Futaba: We’ve located the source of the attack: Johnston Atoll.
Commander: Obliterate that entire island.
Yotsuba: Satellite D132 will be ready to fire in 24 seconds.
Futaba: Commander, we’ve confirmed the loss of No1. In order for the mission to progress as scheduled, command will be transferred to No2.
Yotsuba: No2, please confirm your position of authority.
No2: Who? Me?
Futaba: No2, respond!
No2: Uhh, yes! I’m the squadron leader, right? I understand!
No11 (voice): Shit, we weren’t ever told about this!
[SE: Explosion]
No4: This is not what we were told to expect!
No3 (voice): What about the Canceller?! The Canceller!
[SE: Explosion]
No15: No, I can’t dodge it!
[SE: Explosion]
No12: Not like this! Somebody, help me!
[SE: Explosion]
No2: Everyone, don’t cluster together! Spread out!
Futaba: 46 minutes from deployment.
Yotsuba: Current altitude has fallen below 50,000, and will touch down in Pearl Harbor.
No2: Commander! Where’s our counter support?!
Yotsuba: The area will be in range within 5 seconds.
[SE: Explosion]
No2: Commander, please hurry!
Yotsuba: In range. Preparing to fire satellite lasers.
Commander: Fire!
[SE: Loud explosions last for roughly 2 seconds as the backdrop is filled with the scenes of a large explosion]
Yotsuba: The enemy fortress… has sunk. Scanning for nearby heat sources. Registering 23 short-range missiles at a distance of 42,000.
So, this feat...
Apparently, Emil's Fusion Reactor Overload is capable of reducing the Earth to a chunk of rock, and it also causes it to detach it from orbiting around the Sun. Let's see how much energy is required for this exact feat to occur.
Noting that the Earth orbits around the Sun continuously, the only way for Earth to stop orbiting around the Sun would be to stop the kinetic energy of the Earth's orbit, so the Sun's gravity could pull the Earth from orbit and bring said Earth closer to it. We will solve this problem, using two methods.
Kinetic Energy of Earth's orbit around the Sun
Figuring out orbital speed first. The orbital velocity of Earth around the Sun can be figured out using the equation
Where
Dunno why this answer is different from Google, but I'll go with this since the Wikipedia regarding Orbital Speed goes in-depth about this particular subject.
- G = Gravitational constant = 6.674e-11
- M = Mass of larger object where a smaller body of negligible object is orbiting
- M = Mass of the Sun = 1.989e30 kg
- r = radius of orbit + larger body + smaller body
- r = 149,600,000,000 + 695,700,000 + 6,371,000 = 1.503e11 m
- Vo = √(2*G*M/r) = √(2*(6.674e-11)*1.989e30 kg/1.503e11 m) = 42028.7 m/s
KE (Earth) = 0.5*(Mass of Earth)*(Velocity^2) = 0.5*(5.972e24)*(42028.7^2) = 5.2745e33 Joules, or 1.2606 Yottatons
Gravitational Potential Energy
GPE = (6.674e-11)*(1.989e30 kg)*(5.972e24 kg)/((149600000 + 695700 + 6371)*1000 m) = 5.2745e33 Joules, or 1.2606 Yottatons
- Mass of the Sun = 1.989e30 kg
- Mass of the Earth = 5.972e24 kg
- Distance to the Sun from Earth = 149,600,000 km
- Radius of the Sun = 695,700 km
- Radius of the Earth = 6,371 km
- GPE = G*(Mass Sun)*(Mass Earth)/(radius sun + earth + orbit)
So, Planet level+. Right.
Level 1
Once, one of Sir Gismor’s men was caught attempting to steal General Oror’s sword. When he was brought before his master, Sir Gismor harshly reprimanded the knight, and threatened to execute him. The knight pleaded, "I only wished to be more like General Oror." When Oror heard this, he interrupted Sir Gismor, and began to speak...
Level 2
"This sword was crafted after the elfin myth of two brothers who become the gods of destruction. The older one was called Falcon, and possessed the gift of knowledge. The younger one was called Lion, and possesses the gift of might. They fought in a war between humans and elves."
Level 3
"Using their gifts, Falcon and Lion brought mankind to its knees. But with the end of the war, there was no one left to test their skills against, so they continued their quest for knowledge and power. Eventually, Falcon gained the knowledge of the universe and Lion cracked open the earth and sky with his fists."
Level 4
"The brothers had become the gods of destruction, and the elves had no choice but to seal them in "Hero’s Time", using the lives and souls of millions. Your crime is the same as the brothers’. But in the name of my sword, Gismor, I beg you: spare this man." And so the knight was spared. But I never forgot the darkness I saw in Gismor's eyes that day.
The Emil clones are weaker than the original Emil. The clones used their self-destruct by overloading their fusion reactors. Seeing as thousands of weak Emil clones can pull that feat off makes you wonder how powerful the original Emil is or even Chaos form Angelus because Emil has her cells. In Drakengard 1, Caim defeated Chaos form Angelus in Ending C without a Dragon Bone weapon and being pactless. In Drakengard 2 who can crack open the earth and the sky with his fists, had to be sealed away by another god.As for the Emil self-destruction it really doesn’t scale to anyone, not even Emil. It’s his self-destruction which is naturally he can normally do. And it’s from all his countless clones he made of himself blowing up at once
The queen-beast continues to grow, consuming the world.
With Seere's cries ringing in their ears, Caim and the dragon dive down from
the sky into the heart of the beast.
The are engulfed in a blaze of pure white light, and together man, dragon and
monster fall tumbling into a chasm that splits time and space. Source: Drakengard 1 - Verse Interlude - Chapter 13 Verse 1 - A Journey
Time and space fall apart, and the fantasy begins. Source: Drakengard 1 - Verse description - Chapter 13 Verse 2 - New World
The battle that crossed space and time is won, the awesome enemy defeated
at last.
But the blood of the heroes who saved the world paints the tower red. Source: Drakengard 1 - Verse interlude - Chapter 13 Verse 4 - Recursion
It depends if Mashima confirmed those crossovers to be canon to each other. Drakengard or Yokoverse also has a multiverse with different branching endings and timelines thanks to Accord, extra confirmation from Nier Reincarnation for confirming other multiple worlds. According to Yoko Taro, the FFXIV collaboration is canon to Nier for 2B and 9S. They certainly don't scale to anyone of even the slightest relevancy like the Adventurer, but there is still Ifrit feat in which he causes a Solar Eclipse.If we throw in crossovers, that gives Natsu a Multiversal upgrade from the Heros manga where he along with Shiki and Haru fight and defeat Genesis, a guy who took the powers of the literal writer Mashymre (Mashima’s self-insert/self-parody).
Mashymre is a god who with the help of his editors, creates and controls the Rave, Fairy Tail, and Edens Zero universes. Edens Zero has recently been confirmed to span an infinite multiverse and all 3 series go into alternate timelines
Even if their weaker by an unknown amount, it’s still a shit ton of Emil clones going off at once. If Emil divided his power among the clones, than maybe its an argument but as far as it’s shown, he replicated himself to better fend off against the aliens and machines invading Earth in sheer numbers. And again, it’s self-destruction which is also naturally above what Emil can normally do without destroying himself in the process.The Emil clones are weaker than the original Emil. The clones used their self-destruct by overloading their fusion reactors. Seeing as thousands of weak Emil clones can pull that feat off makes you wonder how powerful the original Emil is or even Chaos form Angelus because Emil has her cells. In Drakengard 1, Caim defeated Chaos form Angelus in Ending C without a Dragon Bone weapon and being pactless. In Drakengard 2 who can crack open the earth and the sky with his fists, had to be sealed away by another god.
In Drakengard, you also have these Seals that once all have been destroyed, the whole sky cracks and shatters so the Watchers and the Queen Beast can wreck havoc on the world.
The Goddess Seal is described as the weight of the Time, Space and Dimension of the world that the Goddess carries on her shoulders. Furiae and Angelus endured the constant pain of the Goddess Seal after the other Seals were destroyed due to the Goddess Seal.
It depends if Mashima confirmed those crossovers to be canon to each other. Drakengard or Yokoverse also has a multiverse with different branching endings and timelines thanks to Accord, extra confirmation from Nier Reincarnation for confirming other multiple worlds. According to Yoko Taro, the FFXIV collaboration is canon to Nier for 2B and 9S. They certainly don't scale to anyone of even the slightest relevancy like the Adventurer, but there is still Ifrit feat in which he causes a Solar Eclipse.
But is any of Mashima's crossover material canon?See no reason not to argue for this thread when we’re using that game crossover. Its a manga written by Mashima himself
Man’s never said anything about whether it was canon or not. I’m just arguing that since he wrote it, it’s more or less as credible as using that phone game crossoverBut is any of Mashima's crossover material canon?
I don't believe those are canon. They have currently as much viability for being canon for Fairy Tail as Cross Epoch does for Dragon Ball and One Piece.Man’s never said anything about whether it was canon or not. I’m just arguing that since he wrote it, it’s more or less as credible as using that phone game crossover
InterestingSo having seen the stuff. For speed, Fairy Tail characters have been reacting Lightning since the early arcs.
As for the destruction feats posted, they all fall short of Natsu’s feat of destroying Aldoron minus Emil’s self destruction in N
Too lazy to post all the scans but this vs thread on SB does a good job showing everything relevant for that feat.
Team Natsu [Fairy Tail] vs Team 7 [Naruto]
Team Natsu have decided to take on the s rank quest to subdue Team 7. Team Natsu: Natsu Dragneel Lucy Heartfillia Gray Fullbuster Erza Scarlet Wendy Marvell Team 7: Naruto Uzumaki [BSM] Sasuke Uchiha [EMS] Sakura Haruno [SOHS] Kakashi Hatake [Pre DMS] Yamato [War Arc] Team Natsu are their...forums.spacebattles.com
Natsu is far from top tier. Characters like Laxus and Erza are still considered above him, and the Dragon Gods and latest gen Dragon Slayers like Suzaku are hilariously stronger than him still. Acnologia even before absorbing the Space Between Time is Dragon God tier.
Dragon Gods include Aldoron as mentioned and Selene who casually expanded the moon on Elentir to several times its normal size from flexing her power and was giving off enough energy that Alta Face, a magic construct on Elentir, was absorbing it and gaining enough power from it to eventually erase the planet in a self-destruction. Selene flexing her powers even more on Elentir while still in her weaker human form was causing natural disasters on Earth from the dimension she was in
As for the Emil self-destruction it really doesn’t scale to anyone, not even Emil. It’s his self-destruction which is naturally he can normally do. And it’s from all his countless clones he made of himself blowing up at once
So Angelus and Caim lose to the high tiers, let alone the God Tiers
SINoAlice is actually a shared universe with Drakengard and Nier due to Parrah and Noya's connection with Accord due to being her descendants.Man’s never said anything about whether it was canon or not. I’m just arguing that since he wrote it, it’s more or less as credible as using that phone game crossover
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