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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition
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Tengen (KNY) vs Jugo (Boruto)
Sure, but even as he says it can go through rock it's merely on par to BoS bigass boulder-slicing Tanjiro. Who had a bunch of training and got more powerful and was still far beneath a guy like Tengen. Asuma knives are below Hashira. Hell they're below Tanjiro and the other mooks around this...forums.spacebattles.com
Tanjiro Kamado(Demon Slayer) Vs Wolf(Sekiro)
-Battle takes place at an empty field -Both have all their equipment -Feats from all sources are allowed for both -Both are Bloodlusted Who will win?
.07 tons of tnt? all this time the feat SB was wanking was weaker than a fodder JJBA vampire punch?
Like I said, they are wanking Demon Slayer so fiercely only BECAUSE of how well UFOTable made the battles look when in the Manga, it was all non-existent.
Notice how they like using the Manga to push certain things(Rengoku causing a train car to tilt) but not anything else that would make it look bad(A hillside explosion nearly killed Muzan)
It's even more hilariously ironic as they do not even try to give Fate(another series primarily done by UFOTable) even remotely close to the same treatment.
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/grimmjow-halibel.1251740/
Yep, because Harribel would TOTALLY be THREE ranks higher than Grimmjow if she would lose a fight to him, or was inferior to him in any real way. :lmao
It's called basic fucking powerscaling jackass. We are explicitly told in the story that Harribel is superior to Grimmjow and BY A LOT at that given the performance of other Espada (namely Nnoitra and R1 Ulquiorra) also canonically weaker than Harribel. Therefore her superiority extends to anyone who can put up a good fight against her, full stop!
Even if she didn't have better feats than Grimmjow, which she blatantly does given she can fend off Masked Shikai LIsa (who was styling on a Hollowfied Bankai Ichigo in fucking BASE form with NO MASK for TEN MINUTES), she would still scale to anything Grimmjow does regardless. Especially given neither of them is specialized for any stat in particular.
And yes, that means Hitsugaya would also beat the fuck out of Grimmjow given he's able to hold his own with a far stronger Espada, and even outright overpower her when he decided to use his strongest attack (and it was heavily weakened at the time too).
It's funny too because that pecking order still didn't change not one iota even at the final arc.
Yhwach explicitly went and took down Harribel himself despite being the type of person to leave it to others unless only he can do so.
Which would prove Harribel herself still kept the gap further just like Nel did as Neliel still fully believed she had Grimm's number even after his explicit boost.
"B...but Mustache fought Ichigo when Haschwalth could have beaten him and Mustache just does what he wants."
Yes because Mustache explicitly wanted to see what Ichigo was capable of, before he took him back to their base for "reeducation" as it were. He sees Ichigo as HIS creation, no shit he wants to deal with him himself.
"B...but the novel says they're weaker than Barragan."
The same novel most of them will freely admit has massive power-scaling issues in abundance. For fuck's sake if the people in that section had their way, fucking Allon would be stronger than any Espada.
waitTengen (KNY) vs Jugo (Boruto)
Sure, but even as he says it can go through rock it's merely on par to BoS bigass boulder-slicing Tanjiro. Who had a bunch of training and got more powerful and was still far beneath a guy like Tengen. Asuma knives are below Hashira. Hell they're below Tanjiro and the other mooks around this...
Tanjiro Kamado(Demon Slayer) Vs Wolf(Sekiro)
-Battle takes place at an empty field -Both have all their equipment -Feats from all sources are allowed for both -Both are Bloodlusted Who will win?
.07 tons of tnt? all this time the feat SB was wanking was weaker than a fodder JJBA vampire punch?
this is who people were saying is a good match for JONATHAN?
ha I even saw fanzverse dudes saying phantom blood dio would lose in KnY
"B...but Mustache fought Ichigo when Haschwalth could have beaten him and Mustache just does what he wants."
Yes because Mustache explicitly wanted to see what Ichigo was capable of, before he took him back to their base for "reeducation" as it were. He sees Ichigo as HIS creation, no shit he wants to deal with him himself.
Yep, they legit miss that Yhwach wasn't even trying to defeat him until the neck stab and just wanted to see how strong he was.
Haschwalth effortlessly murked him to ultimately show Yhwach could have done the same thing if he was able to stick around long enough.
Don't even get me started on the Novel and how hard people try and make sense of the shit powerscaling:
- Heavily implying in 2 years, somehow Kenpachi Zaraki became the strongest Captain when Adult Hitsugaya and Byakuya would STILL be above him(which is why both of them are explicitly written out of the story for bogus reasons)
- Ginjou can somehow replicate a Getsuga equal to True Bankai Ichigo's Getsuga Tenshou against Yhwach despite Ichigo being so beyond fucking everyone, not even the Family Zanpaktou of the villain can replicate his Zanpaktou's power decently(which shows Ichigo is out of his league just like Yamamoto)
- Hikone, for all of his power... is compared to Toshiro Hitsugaya... from the Fake Karakura Town Arc...
Please ignore how pathetic that is when Hitsugaya explicitly made monstrous jumps since the time skip even before his Adult Form.
Let's not forget the eternal:
Ginjou and Tsukishima can fight against a fucking STERNRITTER on equal ground.
Well that and because Ichigo was coming at Mustache from behind and Haschwalth impulsively acted to protect his master, as he always does regardless of what "threatens" his king.
Yet you'll get idiots like Xelios wanking Gremmy because Haschwalth wanted Mustache protected from the meteor, as if it would have been a remote threat to the man at all.
Well that and because Narita just couldn't resist jerking off Kenpachi again and didn't want Byakuya and Hitsugaya getting in the way.
Yep it's full of nonsensical, completely contradictory shit like this.
Granted FKT Hitsugaya (as well as Harribel) is horrendously underrated over there, being compared to that is still not even remotely relevant to EOS standards.
I mean surely they could fight some of the weaker ones but if we're talking anyone of note then that's just not happening.
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/tf...est-consistent-captain-living-in-eos.1251762/
World isn't even saying Byakuya is strictly the strongest Captain. Only that he is the most consistent because he does not rely on special conditions to achieve his full strength like Hitsugaya does. Which is true.
EDIT: Oh looks like the Kenpachi wank squad is rushing to that thread in full force now, this should be entertaining.
Fucking rich coming from the guy who tried to use an EDITOR HYPE STATEMENT to "prove" Kenpachi was the strongest Captain and outright ignores and makes excuses for the guy's lack of feats.
World isn't even saying Byakuya is strictly the strongest Captain. Only that he is the most consistent because he does not rely on special conditions to achieve his full strength like Hitsugaya does. Which is true.
EDIT: Oh looks like the Kenpachi wank squad is rushing to that thread in full force now, this should be entertaining.
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this is who people were saying is a good match for JONATHAN?ha
I even saw fanzverse dudes saying phantom blood dio would lose in KnY
Again, nobody in KnY is a good match for anyone in JoJo's worth a damn.
Their speed is incredibly overrated(primarily only using the Anime as a buffer), what they use for feats is consistently contradicted to hell and back and they usually ignore what actually happens in the series for where they pull strength and durability feats from.
Considering what Dio Survived in Part 1, ain't no fucking way in hell they are beating Jonathan in a fight.
Tengen (KNY) vs Jugo (Boruto)
I personally thought they’d compare speed wise with Tengen being perfectly capable of outmaneuvering Jugo like Konohamaru did. As I definitely think Tengen’s more agile than Jugo is. Nothing I’ve seen from Tengen tells me he’s overwhelmingly faster than Jugo to where it becomes a stomp let...
forums.spacebattles.com Like look at this straight up and tell me how do these comparisons make sense to ever use:
But then they actually believe that somehow any of those is comparable to something like this:
Fucking unbelievable isn't it?
Probably in consideration of Doma's cryokinesis and Muzan's near death to that hillside explosion. Doma's biggest creation is easily some order multi block because freezing that volume of water is pretty legit bullshit. Muzan's is dependent on where in Japan that estate that exploded was located as that would dictate the size of the mountain used as a measuring stick because IRL average figures would be applicable like I've done with shit like Ranma 1/2 by region.wait
this is who people were saying is a good match for JONATHAN?
I even saw fanzverse dudes saying phantom blood dio would lose in KnY
Tengen and Gyutaro (Demon Slayer) vs Archer and Lancer (Fate Stay/Night)
No, he doesn't have to. However, the claim was that the thrust would allow him to one-shot Gyutaro and somehow avoid the retaliation from Rotating Circular Slashes. I pointed out that you can't have your cake and eat it too, so either Cu thrusts and gets shredded or stays back. It's literally...
forums.spacebattles.com Oh boy, it's this person... again.
Because Gyutaro would be dead? Again Gae Bolg TNR if it hits your heart then skewers you from the inside as stated in it's Materials in H/A when it skewers Bazett, you was literally just shown that earlier. Gyutaro would be no different if Nasu states that Arcuied would be dead and she's far, far superior to him in terms of regeneration.
What? There are explicitly 2 known Noble Phantasms that are easily stopped by having decent enough MR already known(Maria The Ripper and Atalante Alter's own NP) and Archer explicitly doesn't go beyond MR more than other typical NPs. And that is the dumbest comparison I have seen in my life to allow that bullshit.
1. Shredding a Building =/= Blowing it up, you need to go back to school.
2. They absolutely would be affected by spatial warping, that's the entire point of how ridiculous that is that even if Medea tried to teleport away, she would still get absolutely shredded by it. And even then, do you even have proof of such a thing?
"Bazett can still talk meaning it's not a big deal to demons", literally ignored she was fucking dying and on her way to brain death and ignoring how Gae Bolg's Curse even works... again. And more Nichirin wank and fully ignoring how Cu can just put a Fire or a Sunlight Rune on his Gae Bolg just for added effect.
Based on the fact that Cu is canonically the fastest in the HGW and considering how fast Medusa and Salter's battle was in HFIII even for SB standards, I would say that Cu COMPLETELY shits on them speed wise.
Yeah and Tanjirou never matches that level of strength again... that would be explicitly an outlier so I find it hilarious that THIS is how it's primarily used despite he never even cracks the fucking ground, let alone does shit like that. And again, Heracles simply sapping away most of it's strength and the REMAINDER blew up the Cemetery so bad, the ground was basically looking like it was fucking MELTED in some cases. No one in KnY is even remotely matching THAT.
Someone didn't read actually watch HFIII... Shirou explicitly blocked most of that with Rho Aias rather than the VN having him block the rest after Belleophron took plenty of it(but even then, Rho Aias still blocked most of Excalibur regardless).
Why would EMIYA allow Cu to use his 2nd Noble Phantasm? That doesn't even make sense.
What do you think that means? Like this is now officially cherrypicking unless you think Rule Breaker is a Great NP...
Because Heracles literally would have tanked it otherwise? We have explicitly seen what happens if Heracles doesn't feel threatened by the attack:
He just let's God Hand null it. So the fact that even Artoria's weakened Excalibur from the Bad End required him to actually physically stop it meant it would have taken a life. This isn't rocket science. And yes, it's very, very clearly obvious it's a weakened to hell and back Excalibur considering she was on E and was all but about to fade away before Heracles killed her.
Okay, I agree with everything you said except this. Why do people keep saying that Tanjiro's boulder slice is an outlier?
It's because of that boulder slice feat he survived the Final Selection.
He managed to cut hand demon's neck because he had that power in his strikes.
So it really isn't an outlier, it's a measure of his basic striking strength.
Because the answer to that is simple: He used a Water Breathing Tech to cut his neck, he actually didn't do so to cut the Boulder.
Nor can we say that Demon's Neck is as tough or tougher than that Boulder either.
Even the Ghosts only say that him cutting the boulder is the fact he could potentially cut the Demon's neck and even that wasn't guaranteed which makes it not definitive evidence one way or the other.
Its not an outlier, it's just kind of sad it stands out so much that it's not topped until an entire train is derailed 8 volumes later.
Only for that to not be topped until Doma freezes some water and Muzan almost croaks to what amounts to an FOAB or at most the Beirut port tragedy.
Demon Slayer doesn't have feats, across 204 chapters only 4-5 are worth anything, half of which are only applicable to the top tiers and little sense of gap filling between floor and ceiling in between.
Only for that to not be topped until Doma freezes some water and Muzan almost croaks to what amounts to an FOAB or at most the Beirut port tragedy.
Demon Slayer doesn't have feats, across 204 chapters only 4-5 are worth anything, half of which are only applicable to the top tiers and little sense of gap filling between floor and ceiling in between.
AH, I got what you mean now...
Well then that legit makes it worse then. As it ultimately means that it's something to consider... but it never really gets surpassed in a major way and overall only 5 times does it ever get anywhere.
So the anime is really escalating the powerlevels then? Cause I heard that Tengen V Gyutaro wasn't actually something that happened in the manga.
Judging by how he has acted? Nope. It's just the typical UFOTable treatment of making it look flashier than it is but otherwise, it didn't seem to ramp up anything at all.
I'm not even sure where their actual speed feats really come from.
I think it mostly comes from the anime. From what I remember the manga had a side story with Rengoku fighting a minigun wielding demon and Kokushibo deflecting bullets.
Anime has the sound demon feats with Tanjiro dodging his sonic attacks, Tanjiro fighting Zenosuke with his blitz move, in the beginning, being calced to supersonic I believe, Zenitsu breaking the sound barrier with Six-fold lightning and flash. The feats from the movie where Rengoku was moving so fast he was burning the ground and causing actual flames with his sword. And this fight with Tengen and Gyutaro.
Remember that the Demon Slayer Techniques doesn't actually CAUSE the effects they do. There's no Water, no Fire, no Lightning, etc.
That's where the problem is. They would just be Supersonic in terms of blocking bullets... so they really are RWBY level... un-fucking-believable.
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