i mock touma, a lot, like a lot [including the whole verse]
but they really don't know what gary stu means = typical sb moments
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lol touma doesn't fit that role, at all
It seems to some people that being able to save people, is being a gary stu. This is just wrong cause it glosses over how much Touma suffers whenever he fights. Or Shirou, or literally any character.
Just because they can save and help people, doesn't mean they are gary stu's. Why should these characters be unable to save those they want to save? Just to be edgy?
Like, take Araragi from Monogatari, from a surface perspective he's the same as Touma running around and helping girls.
But watching the anime or reading the Light Novels, you see that it's much different than that. It's literally stated in the first episode of Bakemonogatari, "People can only save themselves" while Araragi does make an effort to help the girls he comes across it isn't just because of him they are saved, it's because they themself 'save' themself by opening up.
Araragi is only able to push them because in the end, only they can help themselves. Hell, he failed to 'save' Nadeko and Kaiki was the one who helped her.
That doesn't like a gary stu does it?
And this is overlooking the fact that Araragi, Touma, and Shirou all have flaws of their own.
Araragi has almost suicidal tendencies. Touma has massive imposter syndrome, Shirou has survivor's guilt. Just because they can save the girl, doesn't mean there gary stu's.