Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Tier/Feat Discussion Thread
Because much like with Berserk here, I plan to cover this eventually :maybe
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Because why the fuck not? Seems appropriate when the series just saw its revival with chapters 365 and 366 :maybe As the narration tells us the light and wind produced by the "Great Roar of the Astral World" originated from Ganishka. Obviously, the circumstances that allowed for the planet to...
onelastforum.com Got whole threads for both dude, why TV Tropes of all things?
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba Tier/Feat Discussion Thread
Because much like with Berserk here, I plan to cover this eventually :maybeBerserk Tier/Feat Discussion Thread
Because why the fuck not? Seems appropriate when the series just saw its revival with chapters 365 and 366 :maybe As the narration tells us the light and wind produced by the "Great Roar of the Astral World" originated from Ganishka. Obviously, the circumstances that allowed for the planet to...
Got whole threads for both dude, why TV Tropes of all things?
I knew you had a KnY respect thread, but I didn't know about the Berserk thread...
I also did that to see if even TvTropes knows how strong Guts is, there's no reason outside of not even trying that SB can do some basic research.
Is Armstrong is that good that he can challenge a Daemon Primach?
Granted SB does think that he lose but they make it so that Armstrong has a chance instead of getting splattered seconds after the fight starts
Seeing an Overlord nigga basically expose himself live showing he knows jackshit about Fate... pretend he knows about Fate and how Nazarick can defeat him is absolutely hilarious
Nope, Magecraft explicitly can't work against him either and Yggdrasil's systems was made by human hands and thus, no, nothing in Overlord outside of Wild Magic would do shit to Alcides. I highly doubt anyone can hurt Alcides in Overlord because they was made by human hands before "becoming real".
Casual use of NLF... Nazarick can be destroyed, just nothing in Overlord can do it but considering how weak that series is, that doesn't mean much at all.
REALLY shows he hasn't paid attention to a single thread when he(like the others) keep repeating the same goddamned mistake over and over again...
Alcides' Reincarnation Pandora can steal more than Noble Phantasms, this is why you shouldn't take what a character says at their word because their word alone doesn't mean jack and shit... oh right, it's only convenient when it benefits SB members, my bad.
"This shouldn't be allowed" GTFOH. It's up to the user if they will allow certain things or not but don't pretend that it should suddenly benefit you that certain things shouldn't be allowed either(Seriously, the number of times I see the same shit in SB with Servants is enough to drive dudes insane). If he has From Hell, he has From Hell, cased closed. And no, From Hell only increases the amount of Doppelgangers he creates, not the amount of power he has... not like it matters.
Suuure, they have a way to deal with Cerebus... this being right here:
Even if Alcides' version is weaker due to it's Divinity being removed... it would still be above Overlord's level to deal with it.
I never can understand this at all... Overlord_Rei acts as if Servants haven't dealt with shit like this before when Magecraft is hilariously above everything in Overlord past their Death Hax(And that's only due to it being within AoG-Tier Magecraft which shits on everything in Overlord) and then act like Servants will just die in 2 minutes without Magical Energy when:
1. There have been numerous times where Servants have had high grade battles without any sort of Master and was still around after it... Shirou literally fought a less than 1/10th EMIYA, got destroyed and he got wrecked by Gilgamesh and still lived to eat some animals and wreck Gil's shit in. We have seen Rogue Servants only having their own Magical Energy supply last damn near FOREVER and only vanish on their terms and the FGO America Manga has Karna and Arjuna fight for god knows how long despite being long cut off from magical energy supplies and they could still fight for 10 minutes more after that and both are known for being mana guzzlers.
2. Alcides, as well as any other Servant, can just devour the fallen of their souls and magical energy to keep their existence around if they need to... it's not like they have to spam anything major to kill the grunts as if they have feats because "we are told in this passage here" like it means anything
3. Shouldn't Alcides have access to the huge Mountain of Pure Mana Crystals Bazildot connected him to? That will keep him around for 6 months and nothing has stated that Alcides has worn it out massively by any degree which only proves further how ridiculous this "Servants can't last in a long battle" cope is.
Speak of the fucking devil and of course they are sucking off that "Yuta has a big chance at victory" because of complete fucking nonsense and acting as if "Yuta's CTs he stole should count as A-Rank" or "Yuta can get all of the right skills to kill Heracles 12 times easy" without taking into account ANYTHING that is the major issue with Yuta's DE or if he can even get it off before Heracles, you know? Flattens him like an egg?
Only in Spacebattles can these threads exist and the retards there believe "X wins because Y didn't look good here... what you mean I didn't actually see what happened? I know what happened more than you by seeing what others said".
Even with the sole 2-3 people trying to point out how dumb this stuff is, they continually show they are just saying shit too...
When in the hell is Nine Lives Blade Works only Supersonic?
If this is Supersonic, then we are literal Gods because there's no way in hell doing 8 motions before someone's attack(Whose already well above Hypersonic and Lightning Timer) can even finish and is even shown in slo-motion affair is only supersonic...
and then they try and counter it... with this:
These are somehow the same damn speed according to people in Spacebattles...
Like honest to god, I give them E for Effort but goddamn, people are seriously not trying their best when Archer's baseline arrows are Mach 10+ over there, well above anything Yuta is capable of since he would be around where Maki is which is at Mach 3-5.
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He can keep arguing it but the story says it point blank: She's JUST a Beast and that's only if she even follows Beast VII's perogative(She only "truly" becomes Beast VII when she's sync'd to the Foreign World Chaldeas which IS Beast VII). That's why when she loses her memory, she doesn't even keep her Beast tag and goes under a whole ass different category altogether and has Defender of Humanity(Something she has even when you fight her in the LB7 prologue).
And it doesn't matter anyway when this pertains to Yaldabaoth which anyone with a functioning frontal lobe will tell you he qualifies as a Beast. Again, SB keeps making themselves look stupid when if they ever did some actual research(and I'm not even talking about wikias, I mean actual basic research that is not them trying to color their own points), they would actually come out of this not looking like just another shitty VS. site.
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The Class is the strongest evidence here. Her Class isn't Beast. But according to Lucain, because Class effect such as Lancer lose to Saber isn't real canon, that means Class isn't "important".
So he is saying Artoria isn't Saber. Cu isn;t Lancer. Because their class are that in the Game too.
Although why is she "Rainbow" is quite weird too, why didnt they just use Beast Crest like Draco and name it Unknown.
Probably related to her mindset, for the most of LB7 she behaves less like she was in Olympus and more like real Olga.
It is still something to be seen for sure
That or FGO's system is wholly different than the other Grail Systems?(Something that has been true since any Grail System outside of Fuyuki's?) Or the fact that it's gameplay and outside of referencing it a few times in the past, it doesn't really matter in canon? I know it depends on the person but it's ultimately a worthless affair that doesn't defeat the point of what happened to U-Olga Marie.
That's only in the most base of terms that Artoria isn't Saber or Cu isn't Lancer, they are Heroic Spirits put in limited Classes that does not reflect their entire legend or even their person at large. Lancer Artoria isn't the same as Saber Artoria and Cu isn't the same as his Caster Counterpart, Setanta or his Altered Berserker self.
That does not or will not matter in comparison to the situation with U-Olga.
Because that's the point of a mystery, my dudes... we know that U-Olga has a Noble Phantasm but it's liked in a way that you can never see it even with hacks. All we know is that she has a "Rainbow" Classification once she gets amnesia, she's Beast VII in Olympus but curiously, she isn't Beast VII in LB7 even before she lost consciousness:
U-Olga Marie
U-Olga Marie (Ｕ－オルガマリー?), also known as the Alien God (異星の神, Isei no Kami?), is the main antagonist of Cosmos in the Lostbelt. It is the unknown entity who resurrected Crypters, bleached the world and set up the competition between Lostbelts, with the winner supposedly inheriting Human Order...
fategrandorder.fandom.com She doesn't even have a Nega-Skill or Authority of The Beast which are MUSTS for any Beast but she has Defender of Humanity... and again, this is when you fight her in LB7.
So yeah, this is really a pointless thing Lucain is being in but SB boys never know when to quit when obvious information comes in and debunks their point.
Now that you mentioned it Salter also has it in her memorial quest.That or FGO's system is wholly different than the other Grail Systems?(Something that has been true since any Grail System outside of Fuyuki's?) Or the fact that it's gameplay and outside of referencing it a few times in the past, it doesn't really matter in canon? I know it depends on the person but it's ultimately a worthless affair that doesn't defeat the point of what happened to U-Olga Marie.
That's only in the most base of terms that Artoria isn't Saber or Cu isn't Lancer, they are Heroic Spirits put in limited Classes that does not reflect their entire legend or even their person at large. Lancer Artoria isn't the same as Saber Artoria and Cu isn't the same as his Caster Counterpart, Setanta or his Altered Berserker self.
That does not or will not matter in comparison to the situation with U-Olga.
Because that's the point of a mystery, my dudes... we know that U-Olga has a Noble Phantasm but it's liked in a way that you can never see it even with hacks. All we know is that she has a "Rainbow" Classification once she gets amnesia, she's Beast VII in Olympus but curiously, she isn't Beast VII in LB7 even before she lost consciousness:
U-Olga Marie
U-Olga Marie (Ｕ－オルガマリー?), also known as the Alien God (異星の神, Isei no Kami?), is the main antagonist of Cosmos in the Lostbelt. It is the unknown entity who resurrected Crypters, bleached the world and set up the competition between Lostbelts, with the winner supposedly inheriting Human Order...
She doesn't even have a Nega-Skill or Authority of The Beast which are MUSTS for any Beast but she has Defender of Humanity... and again, this is when you fight her in LB7.
So yeah, this is really a pointless thing Lucain is being in but SB boys never know when to quit when obvious information comes in and debunks their point.
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I am not sure what you mean by this as in, what are the connection. I don't think you get what I am saying.
I mention to Lucain that Olga's Class isn't Beast it's Unknown. Lucain replies with "Well Class isn't that important for the most part for canonity, class advantage doesn't exist in canon." So he is saying that Servant with their class in FGO isn't important...for the MOST part. To refute that part with Olga's Class is Unknown not Beast. Like he is saying Takeru in FGO being Saber is not Saber then. Nursery Rhyme being Caster in FGO isn't Caster then.
Olga's Class being Unknown means a lot in context, and Lucain is saying "Class don't matter" and so I point out that it means he is saying every single characters in the story don't have the class he is assign by that logic.
He is not talking about legend or heroic spirit itself. He is saying that Class don't matter to show what are the character's Class...See that contradiction?
Exactly, the only other person who had that is Solomon's Boss Battle before he becomes Goetia in the other Memorial Event but no one knows why he has that...
Because you aren't paying attention again... my point is that U-Olga isn't Beast VII and only has the energy levels of a Beast and even that vanishes once she loses her memories. It's even the case for E-Olga Marie despite having all the reason in the World of being Beast VII and she is still just a Beast with no number, no Nega Skill nor an Authority of a Beast which are hallmarks of a Beast and what a Beast should have by DEFAULT.
Bro, you keep going on and on about what Lucain says again and again and you wonder why your arguments with him never ceases...
Like I don't give a fuck about Lucain's "contradictions" because they don't matter at the point at hand! The whole point of this is that U-Olga Marie is Beast VII and the answer to that is no, she isn't. She is a conduit to the true Beast VII, the Foreign World CHALDEAS and otherwise is not a Beast in and of itself. That's the answer to that question and everything else points to that question.
You keep falling into the same shit SB always does which is moving the goalposts constantly, stay on track dude.
Tbf, i think he said that class doesn't matter because most of part 2 bosses are not servants but rather living version of them (or in case of LB6 end bosses, disasters minus Oberon), which is true
Unfortunately for Lucain, as an Apostle Olga is servant so his point is moot regardless
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"JJK Regeneration will outdone Gae Bolg"
This is thread for humiliatting arguments, the "goalpost" here is the posted argument. You really don't want to admit you misunderstand something. Lucain's argument is embarassing and humiliating himself because of that contradiction. I am criticizing that argument and wanna share with all of you.
It would be different if we are in that thread of Yaldabaoth itself, then what you say will fit. And tbh the thread isn't even about Olga being Beast or not.
Exactly Olga is a Servant. So saying it doesn't matter is like saying Karna having Lancer means he isn't Lancer. See that contradiction?
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In that case, you should tell Lucain that exceptions being made for most LB bosses
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