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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 5: Diamonds are fleeting. Stupid lasts forever

King said:
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Even being charitable, and assuming albedo is actually fast enough to keep up with/outspeed allmights mach 10 statement doesn't mha have like island/country level attack power or something?

Albedo is in the same camps as most of the guardians, she barely has any feats worse we don't know of any hax she has cause she's a pure tank character.

If they have to use a gaurdian in a fight they should really limit it to shalltear, pandoras actor (Though thats really just a cheap way to have ainz fighting without actually using ainz), or mare (And mare has the caveat we still have only seen a small fraction of his abilities), and demiurge (While lacking in many direct feats his evil lord of wrath summon has plenty and demiurge has shown time stop/some other useful hell fire based abilities)

No other guardian has the feats to have much to discuss, your basically just discussing strength/speed scaling with any of the others because they rarely do anything...Cause nothing in new world requires them to actually move.
 
end result of blanket statement scaling

a statement that can be backed up as existing beyond spacetime now counts as Low 1A on their standard

That's just not a sustainable way to do this hobby, it's not just too much power creep it's the fact that you're now opening the floodgates to all kinds of other open ended statements that by necessity have to be considered for this standard to be fair
 
OtherGalaxy said:
end result of blanket statement scaling

a statement that can be backed up as existing beyond spacetime now counts as Low 1A on their standard

That's just not a sustainable way to do this hobby, it's not just too much power creep it's the fact that you're now opening the floodgates to all kinds of other open ended statements that by necessity have to be considered for this standard to be fair
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Someone claimed they are omnipotent?
Guess we gotta mark that down as a feat cause they said it
:heston
 
Masterblack06 said:
Someone claimed they are omnipotent?
Guess we gotta mark that down as a feat cause they said it
:heston
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You joke but this is unironically what their Tier 0 now basically boils down to

It's not that simple, they debated it for a long time and it got fairly complicated, but the end result was more or less a much more sophisticated version of 2009 era battleboard omnipotence arguments. Not a fan of that
 
OtherGalaxy said:
You joke but this is unironically what their Tier 0 now basically boils down to

It's not that simple, they debated it for a long time and it got fairly complicated, but the end result was more or less a much more sophisticated version of 2009 era battleboard omnipotence arguments. Not a fan of that
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just throw the whole site in the trash at this rate
 
OtherGalaxy said:
You joke but this is unironically what their Tier 0 now basically boils down to

It's not that simple, they debated it for a long time and it got fairly complicated, but the end result was more or less a much more sophisticated version of 2009 era battleboard omnipotence arguments. Not a fan of that
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It kinda is that simple since they put [ ] from Nasuverse and it doesn't fucking do anything :skully

"It could do anything but won't because things are already how it wants them"

Literally designed by the writer to never do anything ever :catskully
 
Masterblack06 said:
just throw the whole site in the trash at this rate
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The thing I find really interesting about VSB is the guy spearheading most of their revisions is actually a really smart kid, eg this thread which initially sounds stupid off the title
vsbattles.com

Can 3-D characters have 1-A physicals?

So, as we all know, the Tiering System is divided into two directions of power: Quantitative and qualitative. When we say the difference between X and Y is "quantitative," we mean exactly what's on the tin: It has to do with quantity. Some numerical determination keeping them apart. So the...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

But then reading some of his examples he's already well aware of many of the issues a holistic tiering system runs into
eg
All quantitative differences are also continuous with each other, meaning you can add up a lot of small things to get a big thing. Put together a lot of 3 m³ cubes and you'll eventually cover a volume of 10 km³. Put together an aleph-2 amount of universes, and you'll have a High 1-B+ collection, even if the individual universes making up that collection are Low 2-C or somesuch. Same applies to higher-dimensional things; even if a physical square isn't a bunch of line segments "glued" together, it still has 1-dimensional sub-regions, and mathematically it is still a line segment multiplied by itself (Which is an uncountably infinite add-up).
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(This is one of the things I brought up in my tier thread as well as something we would need to account for trying to weigh one series against the other, and it's a way to account for series with different cosmologies)

It's just kinda funny to me that for all their issues VSB is at least aware of some of these and actively trying to workshop fixes.
 
Astaro said:
Too late. VBW and it’s imitators have permeated this entire hobby.

VBW could literally die right now and change nothing
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OtherGalaxy said:
The thing I find really interesting about VSB is the guy spearheading most of their revisions is actually a really smart kid, eg this thread which initially sounds stupid off the title
vsbattles.com

Can 3-D characters have 1-A physicals?

So, as we all know, the Tiering System is divided into two directions of power: Quantitative and qualitative. When we say the difference between X and Y is "quantitative," we mean exactly what's on the tin: It has to do with quantity. Some numerical determination keeping them apart. So the...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

But then reading some of his examples he's already well aware of many of the issues a holistic tiering system runs into
eg


(This is one of the things I brought up in my tier thread as well as something we would need to account for trying to weigh one series against the other, and it's a way to account for series with different cosmologies)

It's just kinda funny to me that for all their issues VSB is at least aware of some of these and actively trying to workshop fixes.
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imma be real with you chief, this shit reads like hot ass, I understand what hes getting at but actually trying to use this in vs debates is just going to turn people off the hobby hardcore
 
Masterblack06 said:
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imma be real with you chief, this shit reads like hot ass, I understand what hes getting at but actually trying to use this in vs debates is just going to turn people off the hobby hardcore
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I mean thats why nobody likes using multiversal characters, but this shit is unfortunately necessary if you’re gonna compare one to another at all
 
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