Final Fantasy XIV Mafia - Game Thread

[EkkoLoJinx]

there is this bit with cp as well

I actually think Psychic makes a good point here about Lethal. He's town leaning me out of hope? Since when is that a thing? He's usually careful around town reading my slot as most people are

I'm not seeing OMGUS here at all

cp tells magic psychic isnt the way, magic is suggesting psychic or lethal as scum

Also I'm having a hard time seeing Aurelian as scum anymore tbh

BPD I'm kind of wavering on. Would rather just yeet T-Pein at this point

unvote
vote T-Pein

cp votes tpein

Letha's flurry of 42 posts is actually pretty underwhelming, a lot of shallow parroting of Gram and Magic's pushes against Aurelian while also saying he doesn't want to read their argument. Seems like he has already resigned to supporting lynching Aurelian and doesn't care to actually give his alignment any serious consideration. I also don't think he mentioned me at all through the whole thing until he gave his reads list at the end and said he town leans me out of hope because he can't wolf read me, which is just bizarre and not something I've ever seen from him. a lot of cozying up to Gram and Magic too. wouldn't be surprised at all if he was mafia tbh.

cp makes this point about lethal, yet keeps vote on tpein

Could see Lethal being aligned with T-Pein too btw, his only comment around the slot is "forgettable slot, forgettable player" and he chides Evans for focusing on him kind of like I did. So his posts mostly amount to parroting me, Magic, and Gram basically. town read us all too lol, and really forced the read on me.

cp now pins tpein and lethal as teammates

@Magic Interested in a lethal lynch?

cp askes magic if he wanna lynch lethal

Relative to psychic not really.

magic says no, in respect to psychic, who cp town reads. cp does not follow up on this and is just ok with it. his question was entirely fake to begin with. cp doesnt want lethal lynched

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Good point on Lethal tbhtbh

tweet also agrees on magic's point on lethal but no movement is happening

I mean, I said I felt decent. But Lethal's catchup, while not overly helpful or progressive, felt like a genuine attempt to contribute to the thread and trying to get something moving.

BPD not wanting lethal day 1

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

u know what im tired of this shit actually, just give us the nat flip. none seems to wanna play when she is leading, not even nat herself

vote lynch nat

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

im voting there despite firmly beliving she is flipping non mafia btw

 

[Grammaton]

im voting there despite firmly beliving she is flipping non mafia btw

Probably not a good lynch then, given we can’t afford to mislynch

 

[Grammaton]

psychic and lethal arent teammates off this interaction. im taking psychic off the mafia table entirely

Can you explain this thought process please

 

[Grammaton]

I also think psychics rationale for lynching anybody is ‘we have to resolve them today’

In fact gonna get some receipts

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Well that was something.

Town column: Gram, Magic, Melkor, CP, Tweet
Gram been consistent with his drive on Fang; Magic good with questions; Melkor different approach to this game; CP is more in hope cos I can't wolf read him; Tweet actually taking action and not paper pushing.

Wolf column: Fang, Raem, Psychic
Fang with the abysmal overreaction to slight shade, then tripling down on the argument with Gram that did nothing but distract the game play; Raem blindly following along with Fang and the defending of him based on falsely represented bullying; Psychic done a shit ton of likes and reacts, yet hasn't done much if any towards the game state.

Wanna see more from Dragon and Evans to put them in a slot.

lethal's initial reads. pay attention to where BPD, cp, and tweet are

On topic of CP I'm a bit divided. On one hand I liked Ekkos points against him, but then there's also the fact that he went back and set the timeline straight on that Gram/Fang argument. Why would he ever do that as scum when the whole thread is having a field day with a wrong timeline? Also his "case" against Pein is decent and the fact that it gets zero traction is interesting in and of itself.

Oh please don't start pushing papers

lethal and tweet interaction. - went no where so far

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Fair point but it's just me being nit picky. Didn't know CP had brought it up but it's moot now. I hope to ease your heart :)

lethal tells magic he didnt know cp commented on psychic liking but not posting as well

Wow, never seen a lovey dovey post like this from you before :doge

ok post by nat, but the emote kind of give it away as a joke

You mustn't be paying close enough attention then

lethal responds

Lethal can go on the scum pile, he’s acting odd and he tries to cater.

nat puts lethal on scum pile cuz trying to cater

Called this coming

lethal doesnt really answer the suspicion, just laughts as it however...

Elaborate

I want precision, not generalities

gram asks nat for elaboration

Cater? Oh please do tell.

lethal immediately sheeps gram's thoughts and asks nat as well

Random nice post to Magic


Afterwards shady post to Magic

So do you sus Magic or you want to ease his heart, which one is it?

@Grammaton also a weird read on CP, and I do think he’s not as rude as he usually is, he’s lacking some oomph, you either get my drift or not

nat's response that lethal was friendly to magic in one post, and susing him in another

I’ll just say there’s something very obvious you’ve missed that breaks this a bit, but keep going

I’ll also say that Lethal needs to follow up cause he made a mistake too

gram interjects to correct nat, but also mentions that lethal made a mistake. @Grammaton could u follow up on this? what is it that u picked up before from lethal/nat that needs to be fixed?

also thoughts on nat off of this interaction?

 

[Odd]

What progression? He’s just been saying I’m scum all game

That's because you have been scum all game

 

[Grammaton]

The first 2 pages is a bit tryharding imho.

Can the man post first before you decide this?

Suprised that LM's early reads are similar to mine. Slight town lean on Sworder and slight scum lean on Magic as well.

I have no idea what you mean by this. Can you elaborate?

Slight town lean on : Sworder, Ekko, LM
Slight scum read on : Raem, Magic

Regarding Aurelian vs Gramma. Null on both. Although logically, Gramma is making alot of sense and Aurelian is being defensive and not solving. he can be like that as town too, I think. Regardless, his slot needs to be resolved at this point. His flip would give me a better read on Gram.

Again, I am agreeing with LM here. I also can't read Gram.

I would like a Raem flip, just comes off as super scummy. He's not making alot of sense and does not seem to want to solve. Just getting bad vibes from him at this point.

You keep saying this as if you want us to notice how much similarly you acted as town last game.

Hi. Why do you think I am scum? Can you elaborate?

I've posted quite a bit, I think you probably missed them. You putting CP in your town read just because you don't wolf read them is a bit off to me. If anything, he should be in your null pile.

I've caught on to that too. Maybe TMI?

hmmmmmm.....What are your thoughts on Odd? I wasn't too happy with his entrance.

I'm fine with solving Aurelian today. I don't want to waste another phase on him. His role claim sounds like watcher yet he claims to also be able to stop a lynch. sounds fake.

[Vote lynch Aurelian]

Magic seems off this game but I would need to see more from him before I write him off as scum, I don't really like Odd's entrance. I don't mind going in that direction over Aurelian. Although I don't want to see Aurelian vs Gram next dayphase either. I feel it's better to resolve his slot now.

magic - scum lean/feels off
Odd - scum lean
Aurelian - needs to be resolved
Nat - says alot but nothing substantial
Lethal - something about him feels off

Look at this! We got scum Magic and scum Nat voting for the serial killer!!!


We don’t know his alignment but if he’s willing to work with us then I’ll give him a town pass for now.

This is pure bs. How am I ever aligned with Magic? Gtfo
Either you or him is scum. We flipped Magic today and if he flips town, then vig can off you tonight. It’s as simple as that.

Exactly.

@Grammaton
The scum vanilla is obviously Nat

Guys stop being dense, we need to get mafia today not serial killer. Vote Magic. He was on my scumdar since day 1. He tried to get me lynch with the twisted lies and narratives. This is the way to go! Gram I followed you on the Aurelian lynch, Magic is also on your scum list, so why not vote for him? You guys are being so obtuse!

This is a really weird thing to say. An attempt at distancing now that he knows he is being executed or kill?
I knew lethal was scum, but why did we all easily believe him when he claimed serial killer???
And Magic flipping town.....sigh. I need to go back and reread everything he posted.

It's because Magic was scummy all around and alot of his posts didn't make any sense.

That's a good point, there's no way mafia kill roleblocker over cop. Magic must have rb the cop.


I don't think he would, he townread me last day.

So nat might be SK or mafia then since there was only one kill mast night.

Everyone suspected Lethal day 1 though.

I think nat's slot needs to be resolved, she keeps evading lynches day after day. anyways im out for the day.

You have to remember that Odd outed he was executioner and he wanted either Nat or lethal dead. Lethal already had the votes necessary for an execution. Scum would vote Lethal here for towncred. Why vote magic and make yourself look bad?
Also lethal saying that he wanted to drive a knife into Nat's brain stem sounds fake as fuck. He clearly is trying to distance himself from her here. Notice how he became super agressive with her right as he was about to die.
Plus hans said he rb her last night and there was only one kill.
Nat's slot needs to be resolve here.


How sure are you that Magic was at L-1?
because Odd had an execution and could have blasted Lethal at anytime.

I could definitely see that.
All he did all game besides death tunneling Aurelian was to mimic T-Pein and throw shades at various people.
His behavior this game is quite unusual.
Real question here is he capable of 5d chess? I think he is.

This makes alot of sense.

But you could of done that as any alignment.


Ekko is confirmed inno by the cop. And the GF is already dead. he is not mafia. Maybe sk?

Chill
It's just a placeholder vote

Ekko doesn't simp for me in mafia games.

Didn't you say that Ekko is inno by cop.

This slot needs to be resolved.

[Change vote lynch Nat]

Idk what games you played with him but I recently played two games with Ekko where he carried town to victory. He might troll and says sus stuff to reaction test but in the end, he gets the job done. His method may seem unconventional but lets not complain about someone's play until game ends.

Please stop acting like this.

Ngl after Magic's flip, my PoE is a bit scattered.
I'm still confident about Nat and ready to resolved that slot today.

PoE not in any order

Rej
Hans
Gram
T-Pein



he's null for me, so he goes into my PoE

It’s an interesting tic at the very minimum - seems a good way of avoiding any accountability for a lynch

There’s also two posts in the middle of all that that look horrendous - where she’s asking people to vote magic because we don’t want to lynch the serial killer, but in the follow up, she ‘knew lethal was scum’ but doesn’t understand why anyone believed he was the serial killer?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

False. I said there was a possibility that they could be paired, I never said that raem was wolf.

See it's this nonsense shit to try and shade me that you pulled a few games back for a mislynch on me as scum. You're brazen enough to try and pull it again.

Could you elaborate more on your Melkor read? Different to what?

The post of yours I just quoted contradicts this

Lethals a classic example of what I was talking about earlier

Some stuff seems very out of character for him as scum, some stuff is sloppy, and some is ill conceived, so you end up with a confusing mess of contradictions

I want to tentatively say he’s town cause he just feels more obvious as scum usually but I wouldn’t bet 50 quid on it, let alone my life

Was answering questions and not ducking away. iirc magic was giving him a grilling and he seemed to handle it well. when i've seen him as wolf he's a lot quieter and less brave.

When have you seen him as a wolf?

WG I think cos he hasn't been one here

gram and lethal obviously arent aligned off this. gram is town or serial. this isnt really any big news

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Now Dragon has a wagon forming. Day 1 fun.

Any other pressing matters? I'm about to go watch the origin so will be afk for ~2 hours. Don't wanna leave folks hanging

here lethal just comments on the BPD wagon but doesnt join it despite calling BPD null earlier, do we make anything of this?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

i wouldn't mind bpd or lethal.

im not really sure why odo is adverse to tpein either given cp's case i think that can be a promising lead.

he has literally no case.
What is the case?
you throwing this out when BDP is getting heat is sus.

tpein comments on magic wating lethal or BPD but does not say anything about lethal. just the BPD part

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Vote Lynch BPD

now he joins BPD despite saying magic is sus for wanting BPD

i dont get how tpein gets away with all of this shite

 

[Grammaton]

lethal's initial reads. pay attention to where BPD, cp, and tweet are



lethal and tweet interaction. - went no where so far

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lethal tells magic he didnt know cp commented on psychic liking but not posting as well


ok post by nat, but the emote kind of give it away as a joke


lethal responds


nat puts lethal on scum pile cuz trying to cater


lethal doesnt really answer the suspicion, just laughts as it however...


gram asks nat for elaboration


lethal immediately sheeps gram's thoughts and asks nat as well


nat's response that lethal was friendly to magic in one post, and susing him in another



gram interjects to correct nat, but also mentions that lethal made a mistake. @Grammaton could u follow up on this? what is it that u picked up before from lethal/nat that needs to be fixed?

also thoughts on nat off of this interaction?

Nat put this forward as reason she can’t be aligned with lethal, it’s the post I was referring to yesterday. I don’t think it holds any real water

I can’t remember what I was referring to re: lethal, but the point I was making to nat was that lethal was responding to a post by magic where magic said lethals reads troubled his heart - this told me that nat didn’t really look at the context on which lethal made his post. Whether that’s scum indicative or not, hard to say

Look I’m gonna level with you, there’s like 5 players who have all done jack shit, and scum could be any of them. You keep asking me what I think. I don’t really have a silver bullet

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

unvote

 

[Grammaton]

gram and lethal obviously arent aligned off this. gram is town or serial. this isnt really any big news

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here lethal just comments on the BPD wagon but doesnt join it despite calling BPD null earlier, do we make anything of this?

Yes, BPD is the vig and is out of PoE. Case closed

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

why are you reading me town?

lethal to xadlin

cause your early game you seemed pretty energetic and pushed to search out.
so takign a active role is more leaning towards town for me.

xadlins response. no followup whatsover from lethal


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continuation of lethal and nat interaction

If you continue reading, rather than trying to sling shit aimlessly like a damsel in distress, then you'd see I address this and retract it. This trope that I always need to be rude and have 'oomph' is insulting and wrong.

Cry me a river, it’s a legit enough reason to suspect you. I saw you say you posted nonsense and clutching at straws, but I don’t see how that makes it any better.

The irony of you telling someone else to cry a river. Get a grip of yourself.

How so? You’re the only one shook here

Natalya auditioning for jeopardy with all the questions and wanting others to do leg work for her. Not sure if that's indicative of anything.

Well it did until you answered my question, cos I missed you put it on your list and I thought you were trying to profit from Evans' leg-work.

Meh. It is what it is. Magic liked it then back-tracked, and I don't care for Natalya regurgitating the thoughts of someone else.

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lethal tpein interaction. very non stimulating and not followed upon:

vote Aurelian then get into a slinging match pls

evans tell lethal to vote aurelian which starts it

Wouldn't even call it a contest.

Vote: Aurelian

I do hope that Ekko can answer why he shifted to CP once you started down that line at some point today

why are you voting for Aurelian?
because he told you to do it or do you have a unique reason?

He's in my wolf list. I mean if you'd read the thread and weren't a cancerous mong, you'd be able to gauge exactly why he's right up on a lot of people's lists.

goes absolutely no where

fully caught up.

town
tweet
CP
Aurelian
psychic

Town Null
Xadlin
Gramma
natalija
lord melkor
sworder

Scum
kekko
Magic
BPD
evans

Scum Null
Odd
Lethal

I think if Aurelian flips scum I switch most of my town and my scums.
lowkey.

tpein has lethal as scum null reads here, but when magic said to lynch one of BPD/lethal tpein sused magic for wanting BPD and tpein never pursued the lethal direction. he voted BPD instead

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Nat put this forward as reason she can’t be aligned with lethal, it’s the post I was referring to yesterday. I don’t think it holds any real water

I can’t remember what I was referring to re: lethal, but the point I was making to nat was that lethal was responding to a post by magic where magic said lethals reads troubled his heart - this told me that nat didn’t really look at the context on which lethal made his post. Whether that’s scum indicative or not, hard to say

Look I’m gonna level with you, there’s like 5 players who have all done jack shit, and scum could be any of them. You keep asking me what I think. I don’t really have a silver bullet

if nat is scum then did she just give up? she isnt trying to save herself. thats the only remotely possible way for me to see her being one, which isnt entirely impossible. i just find it lame asfk

also wud a scum nat not hammer magic yesterday?

im asking u because i thought u werent one of the few players remaining who is remotely trying to play the game, even if ur mixing in some trolling in it.

r we really lynching nat over the other slots

 

[Grammaton]

if nat is scum then did she just give up? she isnt trying to save herself. thats the only remotely possible way for me to see her being one, which isnt entirely impossible. i just find it lame asfk

also wud a scum nat not hammer magic yesterday?

im asking u because i thought u werent one of the few players remaining who is remotely trying to play the game, even if ur mixing in some trolling in it.

r we really lynching nat over the other slots

I’m not trolling, I’m just a bit disillusioned with this game cause this just feels like guesswork

I’m working on a tweet is SK theory atm

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

cp on lethal

Evans
Magic
CraigPelton
TSworder
Black Pegged Dragon
Ekkologix
T-Pein™
Psychic
Xadlin
Grammaton
Lord Melkor
Aurelian
Hans Tweetenberg
Natalija
Odd
Lethal

Psychic for reasons stated. Fang too. Xadlin due to them giving me a town read with zero explanation. Ekko cos I don't like his shift to CP coming from Evans when he had no prior indication.

Evans is aggressive, annoying, niggling, lots of solving so town lock for mine. Same too with Gram. Even Magic. CP seems solvy enough for now, but this can change if Fang is wolf as I suspect. Dragon cos he's at least consistent and not boring down a tunnel case on someone, plus don't think he has equity to have his exchange with Fang and push it as a distance/bus. Melkor as stated. Tweet's column is shaky cos he's floating between solvy and then back to pushing papers and not committing.

Before I go to bed I'll ISO Sworder and Sandwich to move off null. Pein is meh, and Natalya wants to be an inciting sheila so no buys.

lethals read list

Lethal has never showed me this level of generosity. NEVER. Probably doesn't wanna catch these hands after drawing scum in the wake of my town MVP

shade toward lethal. remember cp earlier didnt remotely try to convince magic to lynch lethal. just empty talk

you think Aurelian is scum, and that his being scum makes me likely to be his partner, but you still have me as town

cp commenting on lethal's read

CP, do you think reading Lethal via content is the way to go, as a rule?

gram asks cp if lethal shud be lynched

I'm not really sure how to read lethal tbh but I sense a lot of fear in his game and that indicates scum

cp immediately presses the breaks and gives a wishy washy take on lethal

clearly fakes wanting to lynch lethal but does not actually want to do it. this isnt the first time. even in day 2 he parked his vote onto magic not lethal