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I might end up there, we have like 16 hours iirc
I'm just kind of confused is all. You said Tpein is wolf, you've caught him as wolf doing the exact same shit as he did as wolf before. You were shouting loudly wondering why no one else was seeing what you see. But then you kind of limp over and throw a vote on me because 'I usually find him as town much more comfortably'. Other than you saying my reads rubbed you the wrong way, which I clarified the exact reads I felt decent about (you never specifically mentioned what rubbed you the wrong way), I'm struggling to see how I'm the best vote right now. You saying we still have time left feels like an excuse.
 
@CraigPelton @Ekkologix
For the record, I am not 100 on Fang being wolf here, but he's definitely a wolf read.
He's not confident or absolutely certain I'm scum but feels safe enough to say I'm a wolf read:
I don't have specific notes written down nor do I have a strong vibe he's town; it's an ultra light town read. Think it was his read of Melkor and maybe Tweet that I liked? He could be wolf for sure.
Repeats the same thoughts and process around Craig, not giving him a direct town read, essentially null one. He can't even peg down the reason for his light town vibe for that matter.
Well I saw more than once people were like 'BPD is wolf reading Fang' and I felt those comments were most absolute than how I was feeling.

Also, you've never saw a townie say they felt 100 on someone begin wolf and death tunneled them? Of course you have.
Seems very flustered when Nat questions his motives for voting/wolf reading me as scum but wifoms about the semantics of his previous statement.
He doesn't have a better reason then this to push his vote on me?
Yes, I have a wolf lean on Fang, but I could see how he's playing coming from Town Fang, maybe. I do think there's a better chance he's putting on a show than not, though.
Seems again to be doing the whole fence-sitting thing, trying almost TOO HARD not to over commit in one direction or another with how the votes and reads are ebbing and flowing in the thread around himself and me. To my knowledge, normally as a townie, BPD is never this cautious or wish-washy about pushing his scum reads.
To scummy to be scum is a viable strategy to some.
Offers nothing, interestingly Raem was a player that Craig was reading as town.
I had a town read on Melkor and Psychic that I discussed, as well as minor town reads on Tweet and CP (but I'm more on the fence with CP than Tweet). Think Raem is been no bueno. I do think I'm fine with your slot with how you dealt with Fang. Evans might be fine as well? Unironically liked Tpein's entrance a whole lot more than I liked him last game, but he could be wanting not to be another easy lynch if he did roll wolf here. Magic I'm a bit curious about? I think he has definitely been proactive, but I'd have to look at his posts closer to see how he's framing and guiding things. Ekko I initially kind of got a not so great gut feeling about; that read is in development. Xad might be town? Nat is meh. Odd is Odd. Think that covers just about everyone?
Admits to Grammaton he's fine with him doing the arguing with me, doesn't really give any actual detailed reasons for his town reads on Tweet or Evans, then sort of backsteps himself about T-Pein from earlier. Doesn't give anything solid about Magic either: continuing his odd trend of being extremely wish-washy and noncommittal to giving big decisive reads. In the Eastenders game, BPD was aggressively tunneling and arguing with me and Poyser for arguing back against him calling both of us wolves, here he's just liberally dolling out 'soft' town reads or null ones.

Very lazy reads list/compilation.
Oh and Tsword and Lethal. I guess Tsword has been fine as well. Lethal's catchup hasn't moved me in one way or another. I'd probably say slight town on his slot, though, just because I don't sense any real fakeness from him at the moment.
Almost every player at this point is getting a "light" or "small" town read.
BPD is playing it too safe.
Way too safe.
This doesn't align with his normal town meta in past games I've seen.
I'm definitely lacking some wolf reads here but I think there's enough meh slots for me that will sour more. I feel decent about most of my town reads.
Worthless fluffing, no substance again here.
I mean, what reads do you feel like I just threw out there? I commented on every slot in the game. And you are changing my words now because you are saying I feel good when all I said was I feel decent about most of my town reads. I'm not 100 confident on all my town reads, but I do think that the wolves are probably going to be somewhere within the slots I have a wolf lean on or that or more null or in between. I do feel like I could be wrong about slots, but I also do feel decent about how I'm reading the game so far.
Again BPD gets defensive over Craig showing reluctance about his slot and moving away from his earlier town read on him. While Craig doesn't really go into super detail about it he essentially posits that BPD is acting/behaving in a way that doesn't jive with his normal town play like I've mentioned from past games. BPD even admits his reads are not "100%" accurate but still commits to them despite most of his reads and positions with said players being very weak positionally; little interactions, little to no engagement, or cautious outside of specifically myself and Grammaton.

This is a far cry from every game he's played a hyper-aggressive townie, confident in his reads, confident in his choices to vote or support.
My vote is still on Fang. I don't really like how you're trying to say people aren't balls to the walls against Fang so that must mean he's not wolf. Shouldn't you be happy town is willing to not go gung ho and be diligent about things?
Ironic.

Not sure why BPD is getting a pass for any of this but I will not vote for Craig over him.
 
fang pls answer me do u scum read gram now that it's proven that he voted u before BPD spoke about u?

its ok to be wrong on a position, if u accept it and move on there is a chance gram (and rest of us) can come around to seeing u as town

way i see it is ur doing urself no favors as either alignment
As much as it pains me yes I'm changing my stance with Grammaton, and I stand corrected on the earlier shit. It doesn't change anything that I'm not nor ever indicated I would scum read Craig from earlier and I don't like your movement here to force it to between me or Craig instead of me vs BPD.

If I'm doing myself "no favors" then so be it.

I'm scum reading BPD.
Craig isn't town reading BPD.
You admit you aren't town reading BPD/pushed him as a null by your own ISO and analysis of his posts.

Why wouldn't I go after our shared common denominator instead of a dark horse at Craig?
Why do you think Craig is scummy?
 
Hmm, Not sure what you mean by connecting...
Wait, you scumread me but you think CP is trying to pocket me? This doesn't make any sense. Am I town to you? Do you think CP and me have team equity?
I don't have any reason to scumread CP or at this time.
Also I like to change my playstyle when I'm scum and I don't do it every game lol.
Any other strong reads besides CP?
i dont scum read u no, i just didnt have reason to town read you at that time so had u on null

who r u susing now that RAEM is modkilled?

id look at this pool after cp - xadlin, odd, nat, BPD, and maybe tpein/lethal
 
I assumed you were sussing me because I'm not 'obv town'? Or is it because you feel I've mailed in reads, which I then clarified which of my town reads I feel decent about. I'm not really sure why you suss me or are voting me other than you're having a harder time finding me as town? That doesn't really scream like I've done suss things.
it's not just about activity though you aren't really pushing much of an agenda or putting much behind your reads. usually as town you have strong convictions and will even vig people who are being unanimously read town. this game you've been a wet noodle. active or not, it's quite different.
 
it's not just about activity though you aren't really pushing much of an agenda or putting much behind your reads. usually as town you have strong convictions and will even vig people who are being unanimously read town. this game you've been a wet noodle. active or not, it's quite different.
Wet noodle, wasn't that what Ultra was calling me last game? What did I flip there?

Key word here being usually. Like I said, sometimes I don't have the time or energy to be thay active or strong with my convictions, which is why I'm saying my activity and what I can contribute to the game is NAI. You keep going back to 'you aren't how you usually are!' but I don't have much interest in playing that way in this game. You think my reads are mailed in, okay, have you disagreed with them? Do you think I'm completely off basis this game? Does it seem like I have an agenda? What posts of mine are feeling wolfy? This feels like a lazy and opportunistic push by you all because you think I'm not playing like how I USUALLY play.
 
i dont scum read u no, i just didnt have reason to town read you at that time so had u on null

who r u susing now that RAEM is modkilled?

id look at this pool after cp - xadlin, odd, nat, BPD, and maybe tpein/lethal
Magic seems off this game but I would need to see more from him before I write him off as scum, I don't really like Odd's entrance. I don't mind going in that direction over Aurelian. Although I don't want to see Aurelian vs Gram next dayphase either. I feel it's better to resolve his slot now.

magic - scum lean/feels off
Odd - scum lean
Aurelian - needs to be resolved
Nat - says alot but nothing substantial
Lethal - something about him feels off
 
this is where i am basically

these shud be town
evans
tweet -
a bit weaker than evans

lean town
gram -
moving him down. need something other than aurelian. im still leaning its more of a town gram tunnel than scum gram. will revisit again if aurelian truly flips town.
magic - gameplay is protown. we agree on lots of town reads. i think hes just town. be on lookout if he votes his town reads later outside of damning info/posts. hold him accountable for every single one.
melkor
sworder

MAYBE town
tpein
lethal -
points magic brought up r good. need to see what everyone thinks of him. i feel like his read back wasnt that bad personally, so dont fully agree with magic there. certainly wont lynch lethal day 1, specially not if he is going to put a genuine effort. lethal does shade alot, even as town, so its NAI for his readback to have lots of shades. i dont rly hold it against him. best way to read him is probablyreads consistency
psychic - im trying to town read her. i think if cp is scum she is town being pocketed by him


null/scum
odd
- i didnt read much of the game after i died last time, but does his play resemble when he was scum? he'll probably change it a bit. he could be indie here. i dont sense any game solving one way or another. will not oppose lynch or pressure here
aurelian - i do sense aurelian is possibly town but i cant explain lots of the stuff he is doing. thats how it is with him always. i feel like his flip is needed though at some point for the game to properly move forward so i will gladly support it if i have no better direction.
BPD
xadlin
- @Xadlin want to comment about my scum read of u?
nat - the line of questionnaire she asked didnt move the needle for me either direction. could chalk it up to lazy work.

scum
cp
 
Magic seems off this game but I would need to see more from him before I write him off as scum, I don't really like Odd's entrance. I don't mind going in that direction over Aurelian. Although I don't want to see Aurelian vs Gram next dayphase either. I feel it's better to resolve his slot now.

magic - scum lean/feels off
Odd - scum lean
Aurelian - needs to be resolved
Nat - says alot but nothing substantial
Lethal - something about him feels off
talk to me more about magic because i think he is playing protown but he is also maybe finding ways to read his teammates town? i cant quiet put my hands on it

like i dont get his town read of xadlin at all. he is playing near carbon copy of fairy tail. magic ignored my question regarding that @Magic
 
As much as it pains me yes I'm changing my stance with Grammaton, and I stand corrected on the earlier shit. It doesn't change anything that I'm not nor ever indicated I would scum read Craig from earlier and I don't like your movement here to force it to between me or Craig instead of me vs BPD.

If I'm doing myself "no favors" then so be it.

I'm scum reading BPD.
Craig isn't town reading BPD.
You admit you aren't town reading BPD/pushed him as a null by your own ISO and analysis of his posts.

Why wouldn't I go after our shared common denominator instead of a dark horse at Craig?
Why do you think Craig is scummy?
u can go for who u want, i think u may eventually have to be flipped but i dont mind giving u a night to do whatever. i feel like a voyeru is weak scum claim anyway and the way u projected it in thread doesnt give me the vibe that u have teammates backing u up cuz they will tell u dont claim that, and claim something else instead or w.e

did u read evans posts to cp?
also in interest of not clogging thread, i wont repeat my points. u can read them over my last 10 or so posts

i personally dont like gram's over tunnel on u now, but i think it can come from town gram. the wifom here is obviously he is going to come later and say "do u think i'll tank my entire thread position to mislynch aurelian day 1?" thats a post im ready for if u flip town
 
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