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Ekkologix said:
talk to me more about magic because i think he is playing protown but he is also maybe finding ways to read his teammates town? i cant quiet put my hands on it

like i dont get his town read of xadlin at all. he is playing near carbon copy of fairy tail. magic ignored my question regarding that @Magic
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He came in tryharding, looks performative. Some of his reads don't sit with me. He also seems to have TMI. Would still need to see a flip or two to get a better read on him.
 
CraigPelton said:
here you go evans since you seem to have not really read my posts and are confused with my progression this game










made what I felt was a good case on him and went to sleep

this is all t-pein had to say in response to it



Magic reinforces he thinks Aurelian is scum, Gram disagrees with me on T-Pein



Then Magic says I might be right, all T-Pein says is "Cringe" and Magic drops it, don't think he ever picked it back up


I point out I don't think T-Pein and Aurelian are aligned

I explain why I feel like just letting gram have his aurelian lynch

but would still shoot t-pein if aurelian is town

literally nobody joined my t-pein wagon at all and t-pein barely acknowledged it himself and hasn't been around at all today so idk what you expected me to do today wrt t-pein besides park my vote which is kind of useless
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I brought up the tpein case multiple times afterwards fwiw
 
Black Pegged Dragon said:
My vote is still on Fang. I don't really like how you're trying to say people aren't balls to the walls against Fang so that must mean he's not wolf. Shouldn't you be happy town is willing to not go gung ho and be diligent about things?
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I actually said the opposite, then pointed out the actual hesitancy of others to scum read him properly while still voting him(including you) to be off.
 
Psychic said:
Magic seems off this game but I would need to see more from him before I write him off as scum, I don't really like Odd's entrance. I don't mind going in that direction over Aurelian. Although I don't want to see Aurelian vs Gram next dayphase either. I feel it's better to resolve his slot now.

magic - scum lean/feels off
Odd - scum lean
Aurelian - needs to be resolved
Nat - says alot but nothing substantial
Lethal - something about him feels off
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I would prefer you commit to either voting me or BPD. I think I've illustrated how scummy and suspiciously out of character BPD has been this game and after his stuff with me pretended to be busy-working to blend into the game, this should trip alarms to anyone whose familiar with how his normal town meta is.

Black Pegged Dragon said:
I believe there is an acronym for that.
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So you don't really have anything relevant to add?
Okay.
 
Ekkologix said:
u can go for who u want, i think u may eventually have to be flipped but i dont mind giving u a night to do whatever.
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If I was more paranoid about your slot I'd say you were trying in your eccentric way to play the distance game since you almost seem to be pre-determining that you know BPD will end up getting lynched and flipping as scum.
Ekkologix said:
i feel like a voyeru is weak scum claim anyway and the way u projected it in thread doesnt give me the vibe that u have teammates backing u up cuz they will tell u dont claim that, and claim something else instead or w.e
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If you think I'm scum and I'm doing what my scummates are telling me what to do, why don't you further elaborate this with your top two or three players you'd associate with me being my teammates?

Craig?
T-Pein?
Anyone else?
Ekkologix said:
did u read evans posts to cp?
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I need to go over Evans and Craig's interactions, so not yet.
Ekkologix said:
also in interest of not clogging thread, i wont repeat my points. u can read them over my last 10 or so posts
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I'll do that.
Ekkologix said:
i personally dont like gram's over tunnel on u now, but i think it can come from town gram. the wifom here is obviously he is going to come later and say "do u think i'll tank my entire thread position to mislynch aurelian day 1?" thats a post im ready for if u flip town
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Your kind of sending mix signals here Ekko. Your saying you aren't sure if I'm town or if I'm scum, but then you admit you want to give me at least another day to play around out of curiosity since you admit sometimes I'm hard to read but then the last game and earlier in this game you mentioned you felt confident you can read me as I have a certain "tell" that only you know and pick up. But then you were reading Grammaton for tunneling me as town because it was perfectly in sync with his past behavior and actions when he was town.

So what am I supposed to do with this information?

And on top of that you are more interested in the counter-lynch/wagon being Craig instead of BPD, a player who you've literally spent the last several posts of yours pointing out why he could be scummy; BPD that is.
 
Aurelian said:
@CraigPelton @Ekkologix

He's not confident or absolutely certain I'm scum but feels safe enough to say I'm a wolf read:

Repeats the same thoughts and process around Craig, not giving him a direct town read, essentially null one. He can't even peg down the reason for his light town vibe for that matter.

Seems very flustered when Nat questions his motives for voting/wolf reading me as scum but wifoms about the semantics of his previous statement.
He doesn't have a better reason then this to push his vote on me?

Seems again to be doing the whole fence-sitting thing, trying almost TOO HARD not to over commit in one direction or another with how the votes and reads are ebbing and flowing in the thread around himself and me. To my knowledge, normally as a townie, BPD is never this cautious or wish-washy about pushing his scum reads.

Offers nothing, interestingly Raem was a player that Craig was reading as town.

Admits to Grammaton he's fine with him doing the arguing with me, doesn't really give any actual detailed reasons for his town reads on Tweet or Evans, then sort of backsteps himself about T-Pein from earlier. Doesn't give anything solid about Magic either: continuing his odd trend of being extremely wish-washy and noncommittal to giving big decisive reads. In the Eastenders game, BPD was aggressively tunneling and arguing with me and Poyser for arguing back against him calling both of us wolves, here he's just liberally dolling out 'soft' town reads or null ones.

Very lazy reads list/compilation.

Almost every player at this point is getting a "light" or "small" town read.
BPD is playing it too safe.
Way too safe.
This doesn't align with his normal town meta in past games I've seen.

Worthless fluffing, no substance again here.

Again BPD gets defensive over Craig showing reluctance about his slot and moving away from his earlier town read on him. While Craig doesn't really go into super detail about it he essentially posits that BPD is acting/behaving in a way that doesn't jive with his normal town play like I've mentioned from past games. BPD even admits his reads are not "100%" accurate but still commits to them despite most of his reads and positions with said players being very weak positionally; little interactions, little to no engagement, or cautious outside of specifically myself and Grammaton.

This is a far cry from every game he's played a hyper-aggressive townie, confident in his reads, confident in his choices to vote or support.

Ironic.

Not sure why BPD is getting a pass for any of this but I will not vote for Craig over him.
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Thanks for the thoughtful attention, it's much appreciate. I will respond to this but not with multi quotes because they are the bane of my existence. Paragraph by paragraph it is (and in mobile, yikes)!


I mean, it's D1 and you've shown this kind of emotion before as town. I think it's still very likely you are wolf, but there's also a chance this is just town Fang going nuts. However, like I've stated before, I don't think that's the case and my vote on you has not left; is that not confident enough?

Craig was a waaay lighter read than my read on you and it was because I thought I agreed with some of the things he said on Melkor and Tweet slots, but I couldn't be bothered to go back and look. My read on you had stayed as wolf while I allowed room for my read on Craig to swing a bit, which it has.

I mean, how can you say I looked flustered with my response to Nat? I actually think that's pretty disingenuous and the only emotion I've shown this game is when I told you to fuck off. I think I even handled you calling me the r-word fairly rationally and calmly, so I don't see how I'd be flustered by Nat simply asking me for a clarification on my own thoughts.

My vote has never left you, is that fence sitting? I also like how you say 'to my knowledge' I don't play a certain way. Is that not fence sitting? Also, why should anyone just trust 'your knowledge'? Are you an authority on how I play? I still don't know how I'm wishy washy when my vote has never left you.

How does Craig town reading Raem have anything to do with me? This is literally me responding to Raem about him saying what does he have to gain by defending you, nowhere is Craig involved in this and I'm not sure how or why you're trying to use this as some sort of gotcha against me.

Are my reads wishy washy or are they early reads? I usually throw an early reads list out D1 that I always know are way too early. I don't think it's bad to get the ball rolling with some sort of read on every slot and I fully admit that they're not super strong, but it's a start. What is your expectation here? I've given reads on every slot and you've done, what? Argue with Gram for too long? What reads have you even contributed to the game? Even now, you voted for me first (without ever calling me wolf) AFTER a wagon had already formed on me, then you drop this case on me AFTER you vote for me, making it feel a lot like you're back filling on my slot now.

Do you think it's safe, though? Look at how much slander my name has taken on this site. I've been shit on relentlessly for my tunnels and guess what? That's not the kind of vibe or energy I want to play with. Look at last game where I was town. I could have had crazy back and forths with both you and Ultra, but I chose not to because I knew that it'd be a waste of time and energy. The fact is, I'm trying to change my town game up a bit here because I just don't want to get into pissing contests with people that have egos the size of mountains.

I mean, you call it worthless fluffing, but I literally expanded on what town reads I felt decent about after Craig asked me to clarify.

I don't think I was defensive against Craig at all? In fact, I think we had a pretty calm and rational conversation. Please show me someone that is 100 on all of their reads? I'm allowing room for myself to be incorrect and I'm trying to be more open-minded and patient.
 
Aurelian said:
As much as it pains me yes I'm changing my stance with Grammaton, and I stand corrected on the earlier shit. It doesn't change anything that I'm not nor ever indicated I would scum read Craig from earlier and I don't like your movement here to force it to between me or Craig instead of me vs BPD.

If I'm doing myself "no favors" then so be it.

I'm scum reading BPD.
Craig isn't town reading BPD.
You admit you aren't town reading BPD/pushed him as a null by your own ISO and analysis of his posts.

Why wouldn't I go after our shared common denominator instead of a dark horse at Craig?
Why do you think Craig is scummy?
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When did you first start wolf reading me, though? Calling me the r-word implies you thought I was shit, not wolf. It seems you've only been emboldened after Craig started pushing me, which is also funny because Craig had me as town read before. Isn't he being wishy washy on my slot? Neither of you have really explained your profession on my slot.
 
I already iso'd your posts and most of your town reads to many of the players are either NAI, barely/or didn't interact with, or thrown out for the sake of throwing out. I call Hime's reads list in the last game garbage because it was essentially an OMGUS at me and Ultra and then 90% null for the same reason. You don't operate or act like this in any other past game as town and have been uncharacteristically sliding away from having too much attention after the me vs Grammaton slug match.

In short, I don't trust you as town 100% so I have you as scum.
 
Magic said:
I actually said the opposite, then pointed out the actual hesitancy of others to scum read him properly while still voting him(including you) to be off.
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But I do wolf read Fang? I just said he COULD be town Fang here. My vote hasn't moved from him nor have I never not called him a wolf.
 
Ekkologix said:
well im unable to connect with u much like i do when u r town

could i maybe interest u in a cp lynch? i think he is trying to pocket u


she did that as town as well (omgus and all). are u saying this is something only scum indicative? cuz i have plenty of proof that says otherwise


psychic is playing differently by her own admission. she is intentionally trying to change her playstyle as well. those points do not hold as much as u think



@CraigPelton @Magic thoughts on her admitting to be playing differently?
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Its easier to change your town meta than your scum meta. Typically you don't try out new styles as scum just because it will attract attention.
 
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Who we lynching today?
 
Magic said:
Why are you confident on lethal?
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I mean, I said I felt decent. But Lethal's catchup, while not overly helpful or progressive, felt like a genuine attempt to contribute to the thread and trying to get something moving.
 
Anyway confident about my focus on BPD, gonna start going over Ekko's, Craig's, and Evan's posts.
 
I also want to know if Magic, Tweet, T-Pein, and Psychic are going to change their position regarding me or voting BPD.
 
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