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Ratchet said:
I mean I'd be frustrated anyway no? I feel like it would be genuine frustration as scum just as much as it currently is as town.
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It isn't always expressed in a similar fashion. That is also just how I'm seeing it, obviously can't clear you from that but you're lashing out the same way at nearly everyone and I don't think it's doing any favors in avoiding being lynched or surviving. Doesn't seem optimal to do it in such a manner as scum and its early on you could just talk your way out of it but you're instead just telling people you won't give them more than they'll get.
 
Grammaton said:
I’ll address this before the days out because it deserves a proper reply, but the short version of it is unlike magic, I’m not detecting genuine emotion in the way you’re representing it - I’ve no doubt you’re probably irritated which is an occupational hazard of playing alongside ekko etc

To be honest, I’d welcome you articulating these concerns you have in a bit more detail
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I was referring to last game - I've basically already expressed them. In your case, it doesn't help that I also think Alco is Scum and the meta issue with that read can be easily squared off if you're scum with him. That's not really a poi t or an argument, but it's something that's on my mind.

As for the emotion part, my post wasn't really about that. I'll tell you now - the emotion is almost always genuine. That's not what needs to be read here. I feel like I've elaborated on my thought processes and my defence of my positions that I carry the expectation that you correctly read me from it and you haven't been able to do so. If you're town, you might not care about my expectations of course, but historically speaking you've had reasonably good success with reading me (one game that comes to mind is the FFXV game over on AB, where I was lynched Day 2). So if I am to be lynched today I need to be able to understand why you aren't correctly reading me here.
 
Ratchet said:
It's either this or I start to flame you, get on with it. You shouldn't even need to look, if you have issue with my responses then why can you not just describe that issue?
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As for me, its important our community comes together and unite and not flame each other. I want everyone to feel welcomed in these games and not discriminated or forced out of the site by some flame or toxicity. Also a wise man once told me to not bully other players and to have a class myself and not be an ape to have my way!
 
Retrolize said:
that's the fine im getting walking into the party so late, i don't really think he'd fake this and play 3D chess telling dest he's holding his tongue
that's one town tell of his i think i can read okay, differentiating from legit frustration because he's not getting through and frustration because he's been caught by a strong analytical player and closed to deaths row etc etc
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Again the read here isn't about whether I'd fake this or not - it's going to be genuine either way.
 
if it meant "fake", i would have included the word; it's frustration for reasons like motive (when scum) or immense pressure (either alignment) or frustration due to pressure that the narrative is being controlled and you want to help solve but get lost in the sauce (town you)
 
Magic said:
It isn't always expressed in a similar fashion. That is also just how I'm seeing it, obviously can't clear you from that but you're lashing out the same way at nearly everyone and I don't think it's doing any favors in avoiding being lynched or surviving. Doesn't seem optimal to do it in such a manner as scum and its early on you could just talk your way out of it but you're instead just telling people you won't give them more than they'll get.
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I don't really agree with the second half of this - I'm working to maximise my lynch. Obviously the goal isn't about survival so much as it is forcing every player involved to cross-examine their reasoning. So you're right in that it's not optimal for survival but I don't think it means I'm not trying to talk myself out of it either. I'm just doing what I think is the right thing to do.
 
and yes fully aware it's super scummy standing here without being fully caught up to defend ratchet
however im defending the behavior of what i see as a town ratchet trait
 
Ekkologix said:
As for me, its important our community comes together and unite and not flame each other. I want everyone to feel welcomed in these games and not discriminated or forced out of the site by some flame or toxicity. Also a wise man once told me to not bully other players and to have a class myself and not be an ape to have my way!
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I know all you want to do is mock players Ekko but I'm actually trying not to respond with toxicity, which includes having to spell that out sometimes - it's just a way of filtering myself. I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't demeaned them, so kindly, step aside thank you. I don't think you're very funny.
 
Ratchet said:
I don't really agree with the second half of this - I'm working to maximise my lynch. Obviously the goal isn't about survival so much as it is forcing every player involved to cross-examine their reasoning. So you're right in that it's not optimal for survival but I don't think it means I'm not trying to talk myself out of it either. I'm just doing what I think is the right thing to do.
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Im not sure what you disagree with then
 
Ratchet said:
I know all you want to do is mock players Ekko but I'm actually trying not to respond with toxicity, which includes having to spell that out sometimes - it's just a way of filtering myself. I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't demeaned them, so kindly, step aside thank you. I don't think you're very funny.
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/Admin classes

threatening to flame is a tricky thing, i am very appreciative of you holding back
 
@Ekkologix You're going to need to give an opinion on all of my posts this evening in terms of it as a defence. I don't carry the same expectation with you as with Gram to correctly read me as you've never been very good at it, but I will make you cross-examine your position - if I don't see evidence of you at least applying what I feel should be fair consideration to what I'm saying and how I'm saying it, then I'm moving you down in my reads again. You've been far too hands off with the "we can wait for Alco" thing - I don't even know what you expect of him here.
 
Ratchet said:
I was referring to last game - I've basically already expressed them. In your case, it doesn't help that I also think Alco is Scum and the meta issue with that read can be easily squared off if you're scum with him. That's not really a poi t or an argument, but it's something that's on my mind.

As for the emotion part, my post wasn't really about that. I'll tell you now - the emotion is almost always genuine. That's not what needs to be read here. I feel like I've elaborated on my thought processes and my defence of my positions that I carry the expectation that you correctly read me from it and you haven't been able to do so. If you're town, you might not care about my expectations of course, but historically speaking you've had reasonably good success with reading me (one game that comes to mind is the FFXV game over on AB, where I was lynched Day 2). So if I am to be lynched today I need to be able to understand why you aren't correctly reading me here.
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As i say I’ll have some proper replies after sleep
 
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