im not absolving myself. all im gna say is in an alternate universe psychic and me get lynched instead of lethal/hime then town just lynches lethal hime after
we needed to find ultra to win lol
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we needed to find ultra to win lol
Magic
Resplendent
i second myself a lot too and also don't show it. it sucks mislynching people. i legitimately feel bad i can control a lynch to the point i can remove someone from playing a game that was apart of my team. i have the exact same fears as you. And I push past it too. that isn't the point here though(and even with all that, misfiring a bunch still should lead to suspicion on anyone).
and the point isn't just that he was wrong on ultra. ultra played well, good distancing, blah blah blah. im not suggesting if im in the game i catch him. it's just ekko being in the way of town all game in every other way too. he plays like a main character with everyone else as side characters.
Magic
Resplendent
do you know how hard it was to shoot poyser instead of psychic knowing that psychic likely doesn't get solved by most of town and stays in the way of poe for that matter?
literally it came down to at the end i had a legit scum read on poyser on play and an absence of read on psychic that i couldn't justify shooting him over her.
do you know what helps? if she's lynched and rdk isn't lynched, who had town reads on him from more than just one player.
ur not seeing things from my PoV here. u want me to let town lynch psychic day 3? now what?
comes day 4 we r in the same place again, just no psychic lol. psychic being modkilled never helped us see scum ultra
day 4 lets say i was lynched. now what
fang's lynch becomes easy asfk. in fact fang goes right after me
and thats with lethal/hime alive
for me to ever suspect ultra im gna need to either see fang flip town or read him as solid town. i could not do that. that was the biggest mistake on my part
I was so worried about you coming in in particular because I thought my D1 in hindsight was only *ok* on the surface - I think if it weren't for all the investment into distancing with Poyser I wouldn't have gotten as much credibility as I did. This was my first honest scum game from start to finish in a while and I didn't start limbering up until after Day 1. I played into my town tells on purpose, method acted into all my pushes, invested energy even when the splits were town - and then by contrast you had players like Fang, who were utterly inexplicable unless you discounted all rationale and just realized the guy is too proud to admit mistakes. I didn't leave too many threads hanging, except for the lynch pool, but I was prepared to WIFOM that and climb out of the crab bucket as well.
Yeah, I get that - I obviously have issues with how Ekko played here too, not in the least having to defend the association with Fang he drew up out of thin air lol. Just wanted to establish why personally even when subbing in it didn't register all that heavily for me - which I fully admit is a failing on my part, but one I can see in Ekko too which is why I mostly just come away from this was just well played by Ultra. I don't think I'd ever seen him distance quite that hard from his scum mate either - which I assume was the aspect of my scum play he referenced in his recruit message (the game he mentioned with Raem and I in day 1 specifically).
Magic
Resplendent
the game does not proceed the same way with different mislynches lol.
and psychic was up for lynch on day 2*
then magic how did i stop psychic's lynch? if the town wanted her hard enough they could have lynched her. lots of ppl didnt vote for her
i think u r speaking mostly hindsight here
what will end up happening is simply me and psychic lynched and then ppl will be stuck on fang lol. there was nothing tying psychic and ultra together. fang flipping was much more valuable than psychic flip. do u agree?
We did something similar in Flower's breakfast game, though it was coordinated.
My other motive for distancing with Poyser, before we even talked, was knowing that in a recruitment game he would be prime suspect to be targeted, as all high profile players are, and right away I knew I needed to dirty him just a bit and keep him at arm's length. Unfortunately, the only player who would consider vig'ing him was vig, and did.
im going to just maintain that a fang lynch day 2 > psychic lynch day 2
i have no idea how a psychic lynch will help u arrive at ultra
for me a fang town lynch might get me to scratch the ultra surface but even then only barely
i dont wanna take anything from ultra/poyser play. they did great
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Resplendent
i do not fault people for not getting it right. i fault them for behaviour.
similar to that is anyone that says they're fine with losing to x because "they've played hard" because that's a slap in the face to your own team.
things of that nature. it's a team game, play as a team. look at what you could have done better, not everyone else. with ekko there's too much repetition of dominating the day phases and blaming the ones around him. even when he blames himself he still points fingers at others.
Tempest
Leprous Monarch
the hell he was, you didn't vote for him and you had me as scummy when I was the main person sussing him
I've been saying pretty consistently that your scum play gets underrated from players who haven't had all that much exposure to it, if nothing else that should probably change. I don't even want to put it down to too many bad town players here - I think the way you played this, especially with the distancing early and the way it was done, was going to make it difficult to lynch you or even really catch on, and that would only be half the battle anyway. I can only really say well played. I would also add that it was your sincerity that factored most heavily in my decision to accept the recruit too - part of me felt it would be wrong out of hand not to after that.
The turnaround on Richard was definitely one of the most inexplicable parts of early game, we were formulating our exit/bussing strategy when all the townies just chimed in and reversed their read for no reason at all.
Your flip would've been better imo because I wasn't the one forcing town's into mislynchs every day phase so conclusively the game would've gone differently. Whose hard repping Ultra with you gone? Psychic? Or the barely active Richard?
@CraigPelton was on my day 1 scum reads. admittedly it went a bit down after the claim but i was planning to lynch ratchet > richard/fang. if there was no lynch list we'd lynch fang > richard then we would see ultra goth in f3 @Magic
would my flip tell u ultra is scum? it wud only get u lynched
Tempest
Leprous Monarch
you were already talking about nat being your lynch choice before richard claimed. by that point me, shep, and magic had already said richard should be the lynch. putting him on one of your random lists means fuck all
u did right choice
I think you mean Bravely Default, the Breakfast one was me scum and you/remchu as tons in final 3, which you guys won (I still blame John Wayne the Serial Killer). But yes, though even then I don't think it went to quite the level it went here. Not to imply it was too risky - I think it's pretty obvious that you'd calculated it correctly given how things played out.
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