When she explicitly destroyed every Phase in existence safe for the Hidden PhaseOthinus never affected the religious phases located in Briah. When is this stated?
There are several quotes explicitly saying the scope of Magic Gods is limited to affecting things in Assiah, i.e. the surface world.
"It may have been wrong to refer to that place as dark. In fact, the word “place” was not entirely accurate either. Non-existent things could not be explained. Nevertheless, a few voices lurked within where no one could interfere.
Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.
They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.
But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.
And no, the Sephiroth isn't just a collection of phases. When is this ever stated as well?
"This is not thy place, but I forbid thee to depart!! I shall now intentionally enact a failed exorcism. Great Demon Coronzon, return to thy rightful world while thy power is torn into the almighty number of 11!!"
Magician Aleister Crowley really did seem to be coughing up blood as she yelled the words.
If you thought of a summoning circle like a warp gate from cheap science fiction, then what would happen if you threw someone into a malfunctioning gate and entered the coordinates using a staticky signal? The power to forcibly send her back between phases would slice Coronzon apart like a wire through a hardboiled egg.
Nothing nerfed about Coronzon. Nerfed Niang Niang sent her packing while calling her out about underestimating a Magic God with her Surface / Human World only BSCalled out as in-series bullshit.. how, exactly?
By the nerfed Coronzon stalemating a singular nerfed Magic God?
With the former being nerfed way more than the latter by the very fundamentals of how the Kabbalah/Four Worlds work?
Literally comes with being second only to God in terms of her power over the tree.Coronzon occupies the Abyss in between Briah and Atziluth to stop people from gaining knowledge of the upper 3 Sephirah.
She doesn't rule over it like an omnipotent god and most certainly doesn't destroy the Sephiroth at will.
I’d rather just use facts and feats from the actual novel insteadI'm serious when I've said before that understanding the Kabbalah/Four Worlds is incredibly important to understanding the series.
Please re-read the series with that stuff as a framework and we can continue this discussion then, otherwise we're just going to be going in circles about this stuff.
And then goes on to say it’s irrelevant since just maxing out your skills at Assiah enough lets you outright kick the ass of anything higher even while nerfedWhy does Niang-Niang outright say Magic Gods are limited to Assiah?
Better question, why do they need it when they have access to stronger Magic. Four Worlds hierarchy gives you access to some exclusive stuff sure but again, it doesn’t equate to power.Why do Magic Gods have no access to pure elements? (In reference to them being limited to Assiah/the surface world)
What does Buddha have anything to do with Kabbalah? Presumably being a Buddha is even better than a Magic God or at least less a corruption than a Magic God is but that’s all that’s impliedWhy does High Priest say he failed to ascend to the status of a Buddha and remained at the level of a Magic God instead?
Who said that? Othinus literally destroyed Heaven along with every other Phase and a chump like Fiamma can call down Heaven.Why are Magic Gods unable to enter Heaven/Briah?
Because they’ve chosen a different path that if anything, yields them better results based on feats regardlessWhy are Magic Gods explicitly said to not have crossed the Abyss, even with their ability to affect the entire Sephiroth?
Good so far.Nerfed true Gremlin can actively still destroy the world, yet Coronzon, their general equal, still has to perform a ceremony to send a mass of power downwards the Pure World to cause the rest of the Sephiroth/Sephirah above the Pure World (Assiah Gashmi) to destroy it all, which would kill Magic Gods.
You yourself said that Coronzon would be stronger than Dainsleif calamities.
They very much can. Othinus literally creates destroys and remakes new Phases throughout Volume 9. The most she said is that it’s easier to just remake a current one rather than destroy and rebuild from scratch not that that’s a problem for her either.Why is it a plot point that Magic Gods, despite phase manipulation apparently affecting the entirety of reality, can't create an actual new canvas, and can only make changes to the current one?
Why are Magic Gods unable to enter Heaven/Briah?
Yet we
did not rise to this position through the normal means, so the gates of the Pure Land or
of heaven will not open for us.
Even when Curtana Original alone canYeah but how's that supposed to work in your eyes then?
They sure as hell can't affect the Pure World with phase manipulation, and destroying the Pure World = the rest of the Sephiroth above goes down as well.
The Hidden Phase should be no exception.
Context for that? Where’s it fromThis is the quote I was referring to btw
Even when Curtana Original alone can
Or Coronzon carrying out a Magic ceremony while at a high rough power
Magic God Niang-Niang’s invisible scorpion tail—the collection of recreated sparks—was swept away and erased by the explosive flames. Just like the stars in the night sky were swept away by the dawn.
“I see. Coronzon lurks behind the Sephiroth, not the Qliphoth. You’re a demon, but you’re also a gatekeeper who never falls from the tree. I see, I see. You form your power from the laws of the Olam Beriah, not the Olam Asiyah! Yeah, this is interesting!! You can probably earn a participation trophy and an ‘A for Effort’ for this!!”
The pure elements did not exist in this world and they would never mix with anything else.
Just like pure water and monopoles behaved differently just by being a single pure thing.
Even if it did not have the perfect negation ability of Imagine Breaker, it could push the enemy away like a moving wall.
Gabriel controlled the same water anyone could use, so why was that archangel such a threat? This was the same.
The element was identical, but the level of purity was far greater.
“Don’t screw with me, you fool who refuses to break down. You are no more than someone who decided to stop partway up the mountain."
Fuck’s sake. I just looked it up and of course it’s unrelated context. It’s about High Priest’s failure to achieve Enlightenment and having to settle for the impure existence of being a Magic God, the Heaven and Pure Land in this context referring to overcoming the cycle of reincarnation and achieving Nirvana, not the Phase of Heaven or Pure World
Already told you why this means nothing,Michael and Coronzon are beings from Briah and actually have the capability to affect more than Assiah.
Magic Gods cannot do so.
No.Ignore direct power level comparisons just for one second, please.
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