Poor Magic Gods.
They were just relaxing in their private dimension and then some British man breaks into their home
Poor Magic Gods.From NT 10
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An external power caused a vertical tear.
Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.
They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.
But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.
This black world was the place not even Magic God Othinus had been able to destroy.
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The same Hidden World quickly became collateral in Aleister house invasion scheme.
Yeah, it's not really said that Aleister couldn't do that. That technique could be amongst the things he prepared to be used against full power MGs. It's also possible that the Magic Gods, being master grade magicians themselves, have ways to counter it.Even ignoring the fact that Aleister couldn't kill the nerfed MGs with his Big Bang Bomb x10 (needing the A.A.A. or Aiwass to do so)
I don't believe it has? I think the statement you're thinking of has since been revised by Js06 to say "Planet" instead. Japanese like to use a term that can mean either.LPsAD Fiamma has both a star busting statement by the narration
While scaling above regular Angel stuff makes sense, I have doubts that Astro in Hand would be included. It's one of those spells that stand out more "powerful" than anything they have. Like, compare it to the Sweep, which only burns down 1/3rd of the planet IIRC.and should logically scale above Archangels who have multiple spells at the level of Astro in Hand.
I'm not sure what makes you assume that nerfed MGs should be stronger than full-on gods? For full power MGs I would understand, as they control all phases, but for the nerfed ones that have lost all phase manipulation ability? I see no reason for that.Hell, nerfed MGs should be stronger than full power Phase beings, such as Vishnu and the like, when Marian summoned them in NT10, who were going to destroy the world if not for the barrier put in place by her.
Nerfed MGs are said to have enough power to destroy the world but not recreate it.I'm not sure what makes you assume that nerfed MGs should be stronger than full-on gods? For full power MGs I would understand, as they control all phases, but for the nerfed ones that have lost all phase manipulation ability? I see no reason for that.
Heck, Marian created that combat method exactly on the assumption that she would fight a magic god.
I mean, I wasn't referring to Astro in Hand specifically, just the other spells they were said to have at that level.Yeah, it's not really said that Aleister couldn't do that. That technique could be amongst the things he prepared to be used against full power MGs. It's also possible that the Magic Gods, being master grade magicians themselves, have ways to counter it.
It's like with all the spells that are hax in Index. It's generally not good to assume that the ability to fight someone with such a spell, implies resistance. Magicians are intellectuals that analyze and counter.
I don't believe it has? I think the statement you're thinking of has since been revised by Js06 to say "Planet" instead. Japanese like to use a term that can mean either.
While scaling above regular Angel stuff makes sense, I have doubts that Astro in Hand would be included. It's one of those spells that stand out more "powerful" than anything they have. Like, compare it to the Sweep, which only burns down 1/3rd of the planet IIRC.
While technically powerful and useable for combat, Astro in Hand is a spell that canonically is used more for environmental modification than for combat. So I wouldn't consider it as part of combat power scaling unless a greater reason is given.
I'm not sure what makes you assume that nerfed MGs should be stronger than full-on gods? For full power MGs I would understand, as they control all phases, but for the nerfed ones that have lost all phase manipulation ability? I see no reason for that.
Heck, Marian created that combat method exactly on the assumption that she would fight a magic god.
at least his ritual did, a ritual he himself mentions would give him power.Do you mean that Fiamma himself was doing that in a similar vein to how Astro in Hand works?
elements carries the leading edge of its type of power, but at the same time, using one element has a broader effect on the three other elements. That is why all large-scale ceremonies except practical battle ones use one of each symbolic weapon as opposed to just the symbolic weapon of the primary element. That is true even in fire ceremonies. In other words, my fire has always held the requirements needed to control all four elements. By controlling all four, I should gain a vast amount of power. …But that is all if the distortion in the lineup of the world’s elements did not exist.”
Fiamma continued speaking.
“Proper power cannot be perfectly used except for in a proper world.”
Something invisible exploded out from Fiamma.
It was killer intent.
The pressure was so overwhelming that Kamijou felt a sensation on his skin like it was being torn.
“…”
But that was no reason to step back.
The man before his eyes was holding Index’s remote control spiritual item. To destroy it, he had to crush the source of that pressure.
Kamijou naturally clenched his right fist.
His focus was naturally drawn toward Fiamma’s right shoulder.
It wriggled.
The Third Arm wriggled.
Something vast resided within that power that was supposed to be suffering as it disintegrated.
“Now I will show you what proper power is.”
After all, my arm possesses the power to save the entire world. People may refer to that as being The One Above God, but… I do not particularly care about that. I do not intend to match or exceed him. I only intend to gather all the power I have now and to save the world with it.”
All the parts were absorbed into the Third Arm stretching from Fiamma of the Right’s right shoulder.
He was in anguish.
Normally, his face did not lose its composure, but his eyebrows twisted in displeasure just slightly.
The flesh and blood that had been put together was perfect, but the power of Imagine Breaker treated Fiamma of the Right as a special case and started to eat away at his very core.
However, it was worth mentioning that he did not immediately lose his power.
In other words, the power sleeping within Fiamma was constantly creating such great power that Imagine Breaker’s effects were not enough to negate it.
Fiamma of the Right’s body shook.
Not only his heart constricted and retracted. Centered around his Third Arm, his entire body did as well. It was a reaction to the power stored at his center travelling to his right arm of flesh and blood.
A great change occurred as if to prove that the power to change the world had descended.
However, this change was not in Fiamma’s body.
It was in the planet that received him.
The heavens greatly opened up.
That clear otherworldly and artificially arranged night sky of red, blue, yellow, and green split open. Like an old stocking ripping, large cracks appeared in places and they spread soundlessly.
On the other side was a golden light.
It was just like a legend. It was just like the world seen in religious art. That lowering curtain of light looked like a scene of the heavens and the earth being connected.
But that seems to require a ritual, on the other hand all you got to do is swing Curtana around to do a similar thing.Now that I think about it, isn't that outright proof that the Holy Right (at least in LPsAD) can replicate Curtana?
Ignoring that, you know, the Holy Right explicitly draws from the same source as Curtana (Michael), but has greater priority, and the numerous statements of it not needing to use physical force to defeat an opponent.
Given that he literally cuts open a portal/brings another Phase/dimension into the universe, after all.
Yeah, that's fair.But that seems to require a ritual, on the other hand all you got to do is swing Curtana around to do a similar thing.
I think not, Fiamma was defeated before reaching his peak by IT.That reminds me, would it make sense to scale LPsAD Fiamma above full power Archangels (distorting the universe with their presence and all that) or just their weaker instances?
In truth, what had happened was quite simple. That sleeping evil god was even known as
a galactic horror, so the Amakusas had had no hope of defeating it in a straight fight. In
fact, it may have been accurate to say its default settings were those of a monster anyone
would lose equally to.
It also said that they were a threat to the universe or something like that. And if Cthulhu is summoned, humanity may die.I think not, Fiamma was defeated before reaching his peak by IT.
In any case, until an Archangel comes out without any limitations, it would be impossible to say on what scale.
But probably scaling from Astro Hand and even assuming that's not accepted, scaling from Gabriel's explosion that would take Earth out of Solar System would be a feat of three digit Zettaton to one digit Yottaton which would be Planet+ to near large planet.
I remember that here the feats of self-destruction when they are not due to a Netero bomb scaled to stronger characters, before the Bleach upgrade I remember that the self-destruction of Yamamoto's bankai scaled to Ichibei and other characters.
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How strong is Cthulhu?
In the novel they say it's a galactic horror and stuff like that but nothing concrete.
Would it have planetary mind control or would it be a large scale release of energy?And if Cthulhu is summoned, humanity may die.
The incident was moving out of Itsuwa and the others' reach. Unless the mastermind was simply trying to collect rare books, this would transform into an indescribably major incident. That grimoire had been created from a crucible of realistic methods to create the horrors that were meant to remain in the realm of fiction.Endymion pillars were preventing the space elevator from leaving the planet, after Accelerator, Misaka and Styil destroyed the city and the elevator started shaking, is that scalable for them?
For Accelerator it's not relevant but for Misaka and Styil it might be.
Would it have planetary mind control or would it be a large scale release of energy?
I thought Fiamma already reached his peak?I think not, Fiamma was defeated before reaching his peak by IT.
In any case, until an Archangel comes out without any limitations, it would be impossible to say on what scale.
But probably scaling from Astro Hand and even assuming that's not accepted, scaling from Gabriel's explosion that would take Earth out of Solar System would be a feat of three digit Zettaton to one digit Yottaton which would be Planet+ to near large planet.
I remember that here the feats of self-destruction when they are not due to a Netero bomb scaled to stronger characters, before the Bleach upgrade I remember that the self-destruction of Yamamoto's bankai scaled to Ichibei and other characters.
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How strong is Cthulhu?
In the novel they say it's a galactic horror and stuff like that but nothing concrete.
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