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Lindltaylor said:
I don't remember Tweet's reasons too well either, I remember Tweet saying that he wouldn't categorically vote for Gad, and that Reloaded could "maaaaaybe be town" because of a meta reason from the Avatar game. At the very least you'd go like "Okay, what he's saying and what he's doing at least tracks". I'm not going to defend Tweet much here for him, and would instead point to my own posts as to why I town read Gad here which you're aware of since you've been responding to me and quoting them. Seeing my posts, and watering them down to "He's making easy reads" wouldn't be authentic lol. You can clearly see why I was struggling to Gad as scum and why I thought he was town especially last day phase and how I made those reads in relation to Nibel. It's making reads and sticking to them, despite being "easier wagons", and jumping and pushing others that have logical reasons behind them that you should be looking at.

Scum tend to want to look good, yeah you're right, but would also tend to push easier wagons. There are cases for both, and with our current game context, I really don't see how you think it's the former.

You were also pushing Bachi, someone I thought was town and defending as well, you think that was an easier read as well? I've defended myself against this on day 1 in my posts to you.


The points that Tempest brought up can be correct, and then we can also argue that if scum were in possession of a disease spreading role and a fake claim of a "cure" for it, then they'd use it earlier rather than later to give credence to the claim. No reason to wait there especially on a slot like Reloaded who would have been asked to claim sooner rather than later.

Both the scenarios are hypothetical and I really don't see how Tempest and I going at each other over hypothesis or setup design would help. Also, that's an easy way to fall into confirmation bias because the longer the discussion goes on, then I would have positive views on people who agree with me and negative views on those who disagree with me and that would muddy my reads. Especially on a topic we each had no way of proving at the time.


Scum reads are lazy, town reads are easy... my guy, this just isn't the way lol. If there aren't enough reasons to town read someone then they naturally fall into my scum reads. Either I find something amiss in their play or they've failed to reach the town threshold for me. Also, I actually listed why I wouldn't be interested in pushing you much yesterday in a post lmao:



And not long before that post, in a post to you and my previous posts, you can see me vacillate on Nibel's slot and even say that between Nibel and Gad, Nibel gets my vote:





Poyser, it looks like you're heavily forcing your scum read on him at this point.
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Bro what
I never accused you of making easy town reads, you’ve just made that up. I’m saying (TWEET btw) doesn’t get any credit for reading gad town and refusing to vote him because he didn’t even really explain why he read him town, thus that’s an EASY read to make as scum. All town reads are easy to make as scum…. I’m saying it’s easy because he went with the gut angle rather than explaining it. You’re twisting my words to suit your narrative so you can try dismissing it. Not good

As for reloaded, my point was pretty much everybody else thinks his claim doesn’t make much sense flavour wise but his claim is your sole reason for reading him town, which to me doesn’t really marry up with refusal to vote there, ESPECIALLY when you just said you’re coming round to having gad and nibel as town.

I DID accuse you of making lazy reads as scum, because pretty much all your reads are “this guy hasn’t done anything” which is a lazy way to set up your poe. Not being active and contributing is rarely scum indicative and not really the way to hunt, so the fact that all of your reads (except me) are based on that again isn’t a good look
 
Aurelian said:
Why is the fact that Gad flipped town solely on me when others came to the same belief and conclusion around his slot? That's rather disingenuous on your part. Secondly, what exactly is the point your trying to make here? That I can't envision a world where you and Poyser are aligned as scum potentially? That bussing and fake distancing can't be a possible scenario at play?

I've been and still am open to lynching Melkor and the less active players to see where the path goes on what flips we get.
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You’re feeling pretty timid this phase fang. Who do you want to lynch? “One of the less active players” isn’t a good answer
 
Lindltaylor said:
My next vote here is Poyser. I frankly think he's approached my slot in a deceptive manner. Misconstruing my arguments to suit his agenda.

Why do you guys town read Poyser @Flower and @Rugrat - also can you expand on that sliminess you spoke about just now?
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Bollocks lmao

Since your main scum read is now someone you think is town, what’s your updated PoE? Another of the “this guy hasn’t done enough” crowd by any chance?
 
Also kinda funny that you took issue with me not giving tweet any credit for defending gad, yet I’ve been defending Rugrat who you thought was scum and now think is town but it’s led to zero re-evaluation at all
 
Poyser said:
Huh

wtf are you telling me to cut out exactly?? Pushing my scum read? I haven’t insulted him or been nasty to him even once so this post is a big load of bullshit
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No, it isn‘t. I think Lind‘s reaction is genuine. Your tunnels are very annoying. In a world where Lind is Town, where would you go?
 
Poyser said:
Bro what
I never accused you of making easy town reads, you’ve just made that up. I’m saying (TWEET btw) doesn’t get any credit for reading gad town and refusing to vote him because he didn’t even really explain why he read him town, thus that’s an EASY read to make as scum. All town reads are easy to make as scum…. I’m saying it’s easy because he went with the gut angle rather than explaining it. You’re twisting my words to suit your narrative so you can try dismissing it. Not good

As for reloaded, my point was pretty much everybody else thinks his claim doesn’t make much sense flavour wise but his claim is your sole reason for reading him town, which to me doesn’t really marry up with refusal to vote there, ESPECIALLY when you just said you’re coming round to having gad and nibel as town.

I DID accuse you of making lazy reads as scum, because pretty much all your reads are “this guy hasn’t done anything” which is a lazy way to set up your poe. Not being active and contributing is rarely scum indicative and not really the way to hunt, so the fact that all of your reads (except me) are based on that again isn’t a good look
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In regards to paragraph 1, if I misread then my apologies.

But in regards to paragraph 2 and 3, I've explained those multiple times lmao. Seriously, Reloaded was an early town read to me. Then went back to null, then his claim and reaction around it sounded genuine. I still hadn't made up my mind there about Nibel and frankly between the 3, Nibel got my vote 'cause he was anyway a scum read of mine.

Paragraph 3 already explained it in my previous post as to why people who don't do anything get on my scum list.
 
Lindltaylor said:
In regards to paragraph 1, if I misread then my apologies.

But in regards to paragraph 2 and 3, I've explained those multiple times lmao. Seriously, Reloaded was an early town read to me. Then went back to null, then his claim and reaction around it sounded genuine. I still hadn't made up my mind there about Nibel and frankly between the 3, Nibel got my vote 'cause he was anyway a scum read of mine.

Paragraph 3 already explained it in my previous post as to why people who don't do anything get on my scum list.
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Paragraph 3 isn’t a good response tho. In your world the active players leading would never be scum

Again my issue is that’s usually the scum go to of sussing people not doing anything because it’s hard to generate legit scum reads. Like you’ve just used that reason to tunnel Rugrat and now he’s claimed what’s basically the vig so it’s already been wrong once right? Where’s the re-evaluation?
 
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