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Poyser

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Imposter said:
@Alco why don't you take this one

I can only currently speak for early this phase but I liked Ratchet's posts. He was addressing the discussion at the time while looking into and prodding others
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Who was he prodding? Im a bit bothered by the fact that he questioned me on why i changed on tweet, and then he brought up about why would tweet claim this as scum but he never really gave much of an opinion on tweet himself

well i havent read back his posts to fact check but i dont remember giving his own read. in fact tweet seemed to be under the impression that ratchet was "smelling the same bullshit" as he was on me, but then later ratchet said his only hang up on tweet was the claim, which kinda implies the opposite. Which I think goes to show how unclear his own opinion is
 
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Aurelian said:
I definitely don't like CP's behavior in this game though. He definitely feels more guarded but that's just a vibe I got, nothing really concrete.
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Hmmm this wasn't raised until Ultra said something. Someone needed a safety net did they?
 
Hans Tweetenberg

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Poyser said:
this post is literally the drizzling shits lol, you're much better at scum hunting than this and you are usually pretty good at taking everything into account and at least discussing why you think x is the case and y isn't. Here you've just decided I've scum because you don't like me turning on you and don't seem to want to take into account why I would have done what I did as scum, what Im hoping to gain etc and its very unlike you

Like this is WIFOM, but what am I hoping to get out of it here if Im scum? You start getting pushed and I actively defend you, then I completely 180 and change my mind and start pushing you instead. You've explained this away by "he wants to mislynch me" but thats so level 1, and doesnt take anything long term into account. Like, from your POV, you should be town, so me flipping like this on a townie and leading a mislynch on a townie would make me look fucking terrible right? Yet you haven't discussed or taken into account why I might do so at all. Almost like it didn't come into consideration for you, because your flip isn't gonna make me look bad kek

this is BPD level scum hunting for you, where you agree with me WRT him that scum hunting without taking motive into account is the drizzling shits. if you can't deduce scummy motive or have a theory about scummy motive then what is it that makes it scummy? which is why I'm much more confident on you being scum now than I was when I initially voted, because you're actually a pretty good scum hunter.
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Ima just react to very long posts like these or something

People didn't seem to mind your 180 on me or the reasons for it so idk why you think it's gonna reflect badly on you when I flip town. I'd be mad shocked if people even went back and looked at your reasons tomorrow, they just make less then 0 sense to me. Your reasons were "I ISOd and reread and Alco actually cased and voted Tweet before Tweet said his piece about Alco, and also his posts akshully aren't that towny" - half of this is irrelevant and the other half is slimy, and it came at a time when Ultra also started casing me, and I associate this with classic opportunistic scum Poyser.

Now that I think of it though, all of this oughta make it unlikely that both you and Ultra are scum. Which makes exactly nothing better.
 
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Hans Tweetenberg said:
Ima just react to very long posts like these or something

People didn't seem to mind your 180 on me or the reasons for it so idk why you think it's gonna reflect badly on you when I flip town. I'd be mad shocked if people even went back and looked at your reasons tomorrow, they just make less then 0 sense to me. Your reasons were "I ISOd and reread and Alco actually cased and voted Tweet before Tweet said his piece about Alco, and also his posts akshully aren't that towny" - half of this is irrelevant and the other half is slimy, and it came at a time when Ultra also started casing me, and I associate this with classic opportunistic scum Poyser.

Now that I think of it though, all of this oughta make it unlikely that both you and Ultra are scum. Which makes exactly nothing better.
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That doesnt really track though, firstly I dont think it has been received that well in any case - i am currently the 2nd leading wagon after yourself. Secondly its not something I could in advance predict that people would just "buy", especially if you're town because obviously that makes it look opportunistic like you said, and I even said as much myself to BPD that you could argue its opportunistic.

What is classic opportunistic scum poyser btw? I feel like Im fairly comfortable pushing my own shit as scum, I don't really think I have too much history with being opportunistic do I?

But this also doesnt really tackle why I would go out of my way to defend you in the first place? Like do you think I decided I was gonna go to bat for you, then decided "actually ill just take this mislynch" and didn't give a thought to how weird it would look?
 
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Poyser said:
What do you make of his actual play? Not sure if you've given a take on it yet
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Somewhat neutral - I like Ultra's case (by which I mean, I like how Ultra has come off on the back of it, the argument itself is *fine* but doesn't sway me beyond the null read I had), but none of it feels like a slam dunk to me, and it wasn't the first impression that I had of him anyway. I wanted to let his defence play out, which takes me to what I think is his worst behaviour - he has effectively given up too quickly for my liking. I understand that, as a treestump, he knows he's still able to post, but a mislynch is still a mislynch. The problem I was having was his claim made more sense to me coming from town, with that more or less addressed I have nothing to defend him with. This is a long way of saying "null, but the flip is informative in regards to you & rugrat to me". I don't recall much of Alco's argument around Tweet. I would rather make a more comprehensive post around this but it'll have to wait, the cliff notes are your progression around Tweet, and Rugrat's reasoning for joining the wagon, are the two most notable behaviours to me. If scum you look fine, I actually think rugrat looks worse because his post felt like trying to join a wagon and get some cred from it which makes no sense in a mislynch. Reverse for a town flip I guess.
 
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Poyser said:
Who was he prodding? Im a bit bothered by the fact that he questioned me on why i changed on tweet, and then he brought up about why would tweet claim this as scum but he never really gave much of an opinion on tweet himself

well i havent read back his posts to fact check but i dont remember giving his own read. in fact tweet seemed to be under the impression that ratchet was "smelling the same bullshit" as he was on me, but then later ratchet said his only hang up on tweet was the claim, which kinda implies the opposite. Which I think goes to show how unclear his own opinion is
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He went against the grain on Tweet and yourself, engaged with you/BPD, was prodding Rugrat. I didn't like his WIFOM around Tweet's claim but that's not inherently scummy
 
Hans Tweetenberg

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Poyser said:
That doesnt really track though, firstly I dont think it has been received that well in any case - i am currently the 2nd leading wagon after yourself. Secondly its not something I could in advance predict that people would just "buy", especially if you're town because obviously that makes it look opportunistic like you said, and I even said as much myself to BPD that you could argue its opportunistic.

What is classic opportunistic scum poyser btw? I feel like Im fairly comfortable pushing my own shit as scum, I don't really think I have too much history with being opportunistic do I?

But this also doesnt really tackle why I would go out of my way to defend you in the first place? Like do you think I decided I was gonna go to bat for you, then decided "actually ill just take this mislynch" and didn't give a thought to how weird it would look?
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I can't tell you how much I hate that the more I think about it, the less sense it makes. My take on you, that is.
 
Hans Tweetenberg

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Will probably need to revisit Ultra down the line as well though I really did feel like he tried everything he could to make it look like I wouldn't have so much as a single point in my favor.

Alco stonks dropping now that I think of it, he's struck me as more of a heckling bystander today
 
Imposter

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Poyser said:
What do you mean he went against the grain?
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Well with Tweet being sussed out by a lot of players. I also was under the impression people were generally town reading you but apparently you're the second highest wagon so idk about that anymore
 
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