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Tempest

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only way I see Alco being scum is if gram is his partner. Otherwise you're trying to tell me scum Alco picks a fight with town Gram and I just really don't see it
 

TAT

Preeminent
My character is Kathy's Cafe (the actual cafe itself)

I have one left in stock of everything so I'm a JOAT

Everyone knows my usage already

1x vig
1x watcher
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
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My character is Kathy's Cafe (the actual cafe itself)

I have one left in stock of everything so I'm a JOAT

Everyone knows my usage already

1x vig
1x watcher

Ok.

The thing is you watched someone who was a bus drive target.

It's consistent, at least possibly, because whoever Poyser bus drove to (perhaps Ratchet) you would also see was only targeted by Poyser.

But we had 3 kills so it begs the question of why there's an additional unclaimed shit in play woof
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
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only way I see Alco being scum is if gram is his partner. Otherwise you're trying to tell me scum Alco picks a fight with town Gram and I just really don't see it

Well given Gram's philosophy on bussing what do you think he'd tell his teammates to do.

Nonetheless Gram is quickly becoming a concern with my observation that he's never voted, which probably has some implication. Woof
 

Imposter

Illustrious
You're deflecting here. If you're town cop and you know as much, you should be skeptical about your own result, instead you're doubling down on the validity of your claim. I backtracked my scum read of you after you claimed Cop on Ekko, seemed to follow. I don't also imagine you couldn't fake claim that convincingly. Woof.
What benefit would be have to clear me as scum
fwiw i dont rly town read imposter so the cop result dont mean much to me. maybe GF or lawyered
Well snap. What's prompted you to come swinging out the gates this phase?
don't see a reason for him to claim another role either when we were all pretty satisfied with believing he was a 1x vig lol
Well that wouldn't hold up if there is a dedicated vig

I'm Jake Moon, x-shot Bodyguard. Have history as one. Alfie's cousin, Danny's brother. I protected T-Pein N2
 

Ratchet

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Ok.

The thing is you watched someone who was a bus drive target.

It's consistent, at least possibly, because whoever Poyser bus drove to (perhaps Ratchet) you would also see was only targeted by Poyser.

But we had 3 kills so it begs the question of why there's an additional unclaimed shit in play woof
What you're missing is that if Craig were redirected for example, the redirection would have been moved to me (let us assume the target was me). Which means Imposter is either Godfather, Lawyered or Town. It also means that scum either had no remaining counter play to the Cop, or did and chose not to use it, which would require them to be confident that whomever he target would either be as false result or easily discreditable. Food for thought.
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
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What benefit would be have to clear me as scum

Well snap. What's prompted you to come swinging out the gates this phase?

Well that wouldn't hold up if there is a dedicated vig

I'm Jake Moon, x-shot Bodyguard. Have history as one. Alfie's cousin, Danny's brother. I protected T-Pein N2

Is this the definition of bodyguard that is equivalent to Doctor or is it the one where you die in his place if shot, woof?
 

Ratchet

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I feel like the intervention of blocking Pein also kind of speaks for itself. If these 3 are all town, no reason to use a block, and apparently Craig went unchecked:



Woof
Ah, slight mistake here Ultra. While your conclusion is within reason, they could have also blocked Pein anticipating that Xenos would shoot him, in other words it's clearing one of the town clears off via the SK. So there is reason to use the block even if all 3 of those are town. Plausible, even, though I certainly wouldn't bet the game on it.
 

Imposter

Illustrious
Same as Doctor. I just protect from kills.
I'm gonna throw Lethal back into my POE. Having a re-read I can't see why I had them as Town
 

Ratchet

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Basically if the outcome is the same (a townie dies) then if they're fine with leaving the Cop unblocked they obviously stand to gain by leaving those three alive (if only to make the same argument that you just made) *and* get the SK killing Pein for almost free. Does that make sense @Ultra?
 

Ratchet

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Of course the block could still have been used to save one of them. I just don't agree that there was "no reason" to use the block if they're all town - there very clearly is, and in all cases they would need to be leaving CP alone anyway.
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
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Basically if the outcome is the same (a townie dies) then if they're fine with leaving the Cop unblocked they obviously stand to gain by leaving those three alive (if only to make the same argument that you just made) *and* get the SK killing Pein for almost free. Does that make sense @Ultra?

Kinda.

The thing is I think "fine with leaving the cop unblocked" requires quite a few assumptions. If they're a team of 5 they may have 1-2 means of investigation protection on any give night on average. So that doesn't completely mesh with me. And their regular means of manipulation may be interfered with by Bus Drive. So it does demand either a Block or a Strongman on Craig. So I think my conclusion is still slightly favorable. That or CP is scum woof. I can concede it's not super duper informative though.
 

Imposter

Illustrious
If needed yeah. Happy for others to weigh in. If this is tied to the >2 shot cop I don't think this should affect that anyway if that's your line of thinking
 

Ratchet

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Kinda.

The thing is I think "fine with leaving the cop unblocked" requires quite a few assumptions. If they're a team of 5 they may have 1-2 means of investigation protection on any give night on average. So that doesn't completely mesh with me. And their regular means of manipulation may be interfered with by Bus Drive. So it does demand either a Block or a Strongman on Craig. So I think my conclusion is still slightly favorable. That or CP is scum woof. I can concede it's not super duper informative though.
Well if you take TAT's results as the truth, then CP can't have been blocked/redirected (or attempted to be blocked) by anyone. Unless the blocker also carries a Ninja modifier, I suppose, but I don't think that is at all likely. In light of this evidence if you don't doubt the claims (I'm not saying you don't) then the only plausible explanation left is that scum were fine with Craig taking a shot.
 

Ratchet

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Well if you take TAT's results as the truth, then CP can't have been blocked/redirected (or attempted to be blocked) by anyone. Unless the blocker also carries a Ninja modifier, I suppose, but I don't think that is at all likely. In light of this evidence if you don't doubt the claims (I'm not saying you don't) then the only plausible explanation left is that scum were fine with Craig taking a shot.
Actually, small correction - Scum could also have come to the conclusion that everyone is 2-shot and assumed Craig has nothing left. This is *still* a gamble anyway, which would on some level require them to be okay with Craig investigating undisturbed, but it's not quite so absolute as it could have been them weighing up the odds and taking a risk.
 
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