Ekko the Kekko time:
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town
gram - strongest town read. thoughts on aurelian and sworder matched mine as im catching up
melkor - attempts to solve magic and gram early seems townie melkor. scum melkor would drop a line that says "they are giving me power wolf vibes" and call it a day
lean town
magic
sworder
town side of null
evans - if hes scum im gna need tpein to bury him here
null
BLD - can see as potential town but what hes discussing with gram RE: sworder seems pointless
CP - telling evans to stop talking about tpein is easy topic. need something else
aurelian
RAEM
psychic
Ekko opens up with his first meaty post after fluffing it up early to give some decent reads on Grammaton, Melkor, Magic, Sworder, and Evans.
Pay attention to Craig here though in regards to Ekko.
i think fang is town. id love to know ur thoughts on the other players / who is next in PoE for u, and thoughts on my read list above when u get time
i agree with the read, but not the reason. melkor asks lots of questions as scum too. how come is this town indicative for you?
can u explain this pls
no not about tpein, but rather about u. what was the point of that question to evans? what did u hope to gain from it? whats ur current read of him?
also do u still think gram is lying? i saw ur recent posts and seem that now u reversed ur initial argument and now think that gram's sus on you came before BPD's posts / was premade. this would tell u that gram's posts are original atleast so could u accept a world where gram is town and move on from him to the next sus player? i expect gram to move from u as well
So Ekko here moves from seeing me as null to town while responding and replying to Grammaton.
He also asks Grammaton where else he wants to go and who he wants to read besides me, supporting his normal town behavior. But then he also questions Tweet about town reading Melkor, another important player when it comes to reads from Ekko but we'll get back to that later.
Obviously the tail end of this post is him asking me about Grammaton and specifically me questioning Evans about T-Pein.
where do u draw the line / how do u determine whether fang is "trying to fake or play like his town game" versus "fang is simply town playing his town game".. like how did u arrive to him faking it rather than simply being it
dont like this either. melkor asks lots of questions as scum. the number of questions is not how u read him, but rather the content of those questions. is this what u r referring to? how caught up r u with the game?
Much like Craig later on in the game, Ekko is pressing BPD to give evidence or explain his reasoning for claiming I was faking being town vs my normal play style as town.
Again in the second half of this post it was directed to Tweet and directly says he's suspicious of the town read on Melkor.
cant really say im the strongest melkor leader
i think his reads come off more into one-liners as scum and he will generally project over excitement. he will also be more mechanically/flavor focused over gameplay. he also doesnt take big risks and tries to avoid having to wifom out of problems later. reason why i still think he could be townie here is i think scum melkor wud say he is getting power wolf vibes from u but not try to go more into it, atleast not this early.
here r 2 recent scum games of his if u wanna take a look:
Lynch System: Plurality. Claiming: Allowed. Phases Length: 48 hours Day 1 and 24 hours subsequent days/ 24 hour nights. Players: (5 players alive) 1- Lord Melkor Dellinger Lynched Day 1 2- Oddjutsu Mansherry Killed Night 5 3- Fang Ideo Killed Night 6 4- Uzukage Lee replaced by...
www.fanverse.org
Players - 16 Start Date - March Day/Night Lengths - 72/24 Lynch System - Majority Claiming - Full Claiming Allowed Players - 2 - Psyche - Pansy Zeller - Town Ascetic Burst Isolator Dominator - Endgamed Day 5 6 - pelosi's honkers - Pomona Rookwood - Town Mason - Endgamed Day 5 7 - Ultra -...
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His follow up going into more detail and producing evidence and receipts about Melkor's scum play and habits in past games. I don't want to say this seems premeditated but it also will reek of tying myself into it to Ekko, but Ekko, HAS claimed he is able to read both me and Melkor strongly when we play as any slot to figure us out.
Ekko is very confident about this.
i dont think fang is "gaslighting". i think he is just worried that gram could be scum trying to paint him as scummy and lynch him
when fang is scum he town read the people pushing him iirc
i feel like he thinks gram is town but then he doesnt wanna town read someone tunneling him this much so he decides to scum read him so he isnt wrong later in case gram was scum
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rem's contributions r on the weak side yes, but do u sense any ill agenda? like sus'iest thing i can feel from him is maybe a tmi read on fang (but i arrived at same read so idk). its just i remember rem does pocket as scum but this doesnt feel like he is gaining favor of fang and using him to push anything. also him having a scum list of 5 players doesnt help him as scum. need his reasoning for the reads rn cuz they r mostly lazy
do u town read everyone else? thoughts on cp?
More interactions between Ekko and Tweet regarding me vs Grammaton & BPD. He offers a very different theory/angle on my interactions with them which goes against the majority of what the rest of the game's players were seeing it, like Grammaton or Tweet getting flashbacks of the Elden Ring game when I was scum and caught early on and put on the backfoot.
Its not always true but sometimes a good sign of a town player is going against more 'popular' ideas regarding another player's play style.
Anyway tenders suspicion but doesn't give a clear read on Rem/Raem.
Note he double backs to asking about Craig.
when will u be able to share more?
could we have this by end of the day:
- if aurelian is town - where u go next?
- if aurelian is scum - where u go next?
im still 5 pages behind but we can try to solve beyond aurelian and if u wanna pivot to him later u can. i feel like day is being too stale on him
+ thoughts on cp pls
Back to responding with Grammaton, he's playing more focused again and trying to see besides my slot where Grammaton wants to go, who else is at the top of his bucket list to pressure or press on to further solve in the game.
gram thats what a voyer is. it gives u the types of abilities visiting ur target. it doesnt give u any hint at alignment. i feel like u have so much confidence talking about this when u shudnt even know what abilities scum have this game
think of it this way. if fang targets a player and that player was visited by a preventative or manipulative ability that nobody claims, then that player can be considered town (or indie) as they were mostly targeted by mafia. does this make sense? thats the best utility of a claimed voyeur. he will hardly catch a scum lying about usage, but he can atleast confirm townies being targeted by scum actions (unless u think scum targets themselves with roleblocks/redirections)
Has a good idea of what my role is after I explained it, trying to bridge any misunderstanding about it. Also slight but warning tone in the early part of this post about Grammaton's idea of what capabilities the scum team should or shouldn't have but otherwise nothing else notable about it.
seems like best direction to move game forward at this point
can u talk to me more about the town read of cp. which points did u agree with and felt like he was solving? could they not come from scum cp?
Again back to interacting with BPD. Ekko seems to be resolved to just go with it now but once again talks about Craig, as he did with Tweet and to Grammaton. I parsed through earlier so am still a bit confused why Ekko seems to have Craig singled out as the player he wants to hear opinions and thoughts on the most to multiple other people in the game.
nice, agree on cp. down to yeet even before aurelian
Again to Evans, is happy to push Craig into a lynch even before me.
Why?
i dont have a reason to town read him
this is what i recall from cp
> opened by telling evans not to talk about tpein. very easy topic to have as scum
> tagged psychic multiple times for asking her to do stuff. this goes nowhere. nor from cp's side nor psychics. potential teammate equity
> cant tell his stance on the you vs aurelian topic. as evans mentioned it feels like cp is wishy washy about this wagon. i ant really tell u other than this who he really scum reads
> his comments are honestly nitpicking easy inconsistencies that town can make all the time, like his posts to tpein. this isnt really solving. this is scum fake contributing
i dont have anything from cp to town read him off
First real push back from another player, Grammaton, about Ekko being very trigger happy to lynch or push on Craig. Ekko's response here is a bit bizarre, not out of character, but I can't follow his weird but haphazard tells of logic on why he wants Craig gone so happy. He's talking about mainly using Evans vs Craig as the crux of it, and Craig going at Psychic, which is something townie Craig has under his belt multiple times and caught her on as town and mafia in past games.
Why would this rattle Ekko? Especially since he was already pressing about Craig's slot well before this happened?
He also argues Craig is being too "pushy" with his stance with other players like with Psychic or Evans but this seems completely in character?
I just can't follow it.
its not in ur control to just adjust, unless u mean ur gna hard bus ur whole team stronger lol
gna depend on how well town does in finding ur other teammates. if we r doing well u will be forced in awkward position sooner or later
After Magic responds that Ekko was reading him as "pro town", Ekko says basically Magic can't really change how he's portrayed himself in the game but argues this will give him leverage to pressure Magic down the line if he becomes suspicious?
Don't really get this either.
i didnt draw any sort of connection at all, if anything id say scum's best bet here is to no lynch maybe?
Evans liked this post from Ekko responding to Grammaton questioning why some people were scum-reading Craig or wanting to prep him for a possible lynch down the line. I mean his statement is true about a no lynch being the best option for day 1's end but its like...okay? That's stating the obvious. Again though I don't know WHY Ekko has hyper tunneled as much on Craig until later pivoting to underlining why he can't have BPD as town right now without resolving for me or him, or rather prefacing to pushing Craig as the counter wagon.
