Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
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This was the last thing Luffy saw
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Mash blocked and reflected a black hole from U-Olga and that shit has planet's earth weight in just a fingertip of its total mass.
So Mashu bitchslaps MHA , Mashle , HST and FT at the same time.
It was a Gravity Well to be fair... but considering even that thing was a danger to the Storm Border which again, requires Divine Constructs to even scratch... still is enough for her to bitchslap multiple series at once.
No? Again, I have no idea why SB goes with that retarded "Most depictions" shit as if somehow there are multiple Throne of Heroes in each series when there is just one outside of time and space. Because otherwise, Artoria is Relativistic with reactions to FTL and Luffy himself is not FTL and can only react that fast.
Again, that's not remotely Gilgamesh's fastest speed feat or reaction feat. Secondly, Luffy himself is not FTL, he can only react that far due to his Haki giving him that ability to see attacks coming.
That's incorrect as shit, Gilgamesh, despite the memes perpetuated by certain fan groups, is not the jobber people love saying he is.
The Fate Route had him lose due to circumstances he could never feasibly prepared for(Dealing with the True Name Avalon)
The UBW Route had everything be put into Shirou's favor and that had to require Shirou continually pissing off Gilgamesh as if he composed himself again, Shirou would be dead.
Even Heaven's Feel is less "Gilgamesh dies to The Shadow because jobber" and more "Gilgamesh lost because The Shadow ganked him the INSTANT he dropped his guard at the severity of how far it became and Sakura had to instantly digest him or he would tear her apart from the inside"
It's funny because if you go with his depictions in other parts of the franchise, he either blows through everyone he faces, or loses due to extreme odds or his opponents just being that ludicrous(Like Karl).
No, F/SN Gilgamesh would kill Luffy before he even tried to go to Gear 5, know about about Haki in it's many forms and immediately make countermeasures on the spot.
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That is the consequence caused by gil and enkidu
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Goku stops time and Hakais everybody
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It wasn't really given statement she use them, and she is lacking in mana, and she didn't really get the shining a lot which is her tell-tale. All this point to she didn't use it a lot in F/SN. She can reinforce herself or equivalent of Reinforcement even without using Mana Burst, as you yourself said, all Servants can do that.
Although the main point is how she can still do Mana Burst and she isn't weak even without Dragon Core, just obviously not that strong without Dragon Core.
Actually is way easier to debunk One Piece FTL and continental than Fate stuff, just saying
It is but again, there's no point in playing that game because the issue is that unless you do shit like SB does, there is no logic that gives Luffy any chance of defeating Gilgamesh at this point.
Gilgamesh can react faster, hit FAR harder than Luffy ever could, can endure shit harder than Luffy could and isn't on a timer when it comes to his strongest form(and even then, Luffy's Toon stuff is overrated as he still got legit burned by Kizaru's Light Beams and can get slashed up and Noble Phantasms are built to say fuck off to the typical laws so Luffy's ghetto Toon Physics isn't saving his ass either).
Well yeah but Type-Rey and I was stating that she does use Mana Burst constantly in F/SN as that is what her armor is:
Those metal pieces are Magical Energy emitted from her, not actual metal or clothing(This is why it's funny when people act like Pyrrha can "manipulate it" when it's known in F/Z and F/SN that's not metal). The problem is that people see how Salter uses Mana Burst and don't realize that's NOT how most Servants even use their equivalents because that's absolute overkill and an enormous waste of magical energy.
It's why Karna's absolute best would have him be no different than Salter and it's the same for Siegfried, Sigurd, Arjuna, etc.(Karna's Brahmastra Kundula is literally just him using his Mana Burst to it's absolute peak and putting it all into his spear throw) but it's just not feasible unless they are connected to a Holy Grail. This, however, does not stop the fact that Saber DOES do some absolutely insane physical feats(including knocking Heracles around like a ragdoll) with good use of her Mana Burst. It's just that when you see Salter going on that domination spree, it's easy to forget that is an absolutely insane waste of Magical Energy that she might as well just use Excalibur at that point.
Taking flowery writing to a whole new level where their producing literal flowers with their attacks
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Her armour should be separated from the skill itself. Mana burst is as the name implies, it's a skill that use burst of magical to strengthen herself. Don't think we'll agree with this one. But wait, do you agree that he said she'll snap like twig vs other Servants if she don't have Dragon Core mana burst?It is but again, there's no point in playing that game because the issue is that unless you do shit like SB does, there is no logic that gives Luffy any chance of defeating Gilgamesh at this point.
Gilgamesh can react faster, hit FAR harder than Luffy ever could, can endure shit harder than Luffy could and isn't on a timer when it comes to his strongest form(and even then, Luffy's Toon stuff is overrated as he still got legit burned by Kizaru's Light Beams and can get slashed up and Noble Phantasms are built to say fuck off to the typical laws so Luffy's ghetto Toon Physics isn't saving his ass either).
Well yeah but Type-Rey and I was stating that she does use Mana Burst constantly in F/SN as that is what her armor is:
Those metal pieces are Magical Energy emitted from her, not actual metal or clothing(This is why it's funny when people act like Pyrrha can "manipulate it" when it's known in F/Z and F/SN that's not metal). The problem is that people see how Salter uses Mana Burst and don't realize that's NOT how most Servants even use their equivalents because that's absolute overkill and an enormous waste of magical energy.
It's why Karna's absolute best would have him be no different than Salter and it's the same for Siegfried, Sigurd, Arjuna, etc.(Karna's Brahmastra Kundula is literally just him using his Mana Burst to it's absolute peak and putting it all into his spear throw) but it's just not feasible unless they are connected to a Holy Grail. This, however, does not stop the fact that Saber DOES do some absolutely insane physical feats(including knocking Heracles around like a ragdoll) with good use of her Mana Burst. It's just that when you see Salter going on that domination spree, it's easy to forget that is an absolutely insane waste of Magical Energy that she might as well just use Excalibur at that point.
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except that it was a flower the size of a continent and caused energy waves across the globe You do know I’ve been yanking your chain right?
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False generalization + Oversimplification. A lot of things in most VN have flowery language, so they simplify it to be "its just flowery language" to dismiss the feats. But ofc you know this already and this question is rhetoric.
Junko slaps her once and she dies wtf?
Her armour should be separated from the skill itself. Mana burst is as the name implies, it's a skill that use burst of magical to strengthen herself. Don't think we'll agree with this one. But wait, do you agree that he said she'll snap like twig vs other Servants if she don't have Dragon Core mana burst?
No, her Armor IS the Mana Burst defensively just like Mordred's armor(Outside of her Helmet) is her Mana Burst being defensive as well as Arthur's.
(EDIT: To put it in better terms, Salter's Armor is the reason why she didn't get ground to dust to Medusa's Bellerophon in HF3 and it's the reason why Artoria doesn't instantly lose limbs getting hit at all by Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon... which shows her even being nerfed badly just how insanely strong Artoria is in hindsight)
There's a reason it's not mentioned at all to be a Skill or Noble Phantasm by any means and we get in Fate/Zero when she discards the armor, she gets an absurd power and speed boost as it is her Mana Burst being defensive:
I really can't believe you fell for that terrible as hell bait when anyone can see what happened in that picture...
Simple, it's just an excuse for them to dismiss feats that are right in your face that they can't answer for BUT they can dismiss by acting as if Nasu is doing Purple Prose... the problem with that is that Purple Prose is hilariously easy to spot as it's just pontificating a simple scene for way too long(Like turning a simple sword clash that can be done in a simple sentence into an absolutely ridiculous 3 sentences and stretching it out like "The Shining Sword crosses the night sky, streaking through the heavens clashes against the Ebony Blade. They both ring out in a choir of steel, causing the silent night to explode in a cacophony of battle.", that sort of shit.).
This is made worse because they tend to use the UFOTable anime... which unironically actually does stifle down alot of the feats that happen in the series that, if you aren't actually paying attention, can make things seem weaker than it is. For instance, it's hilarious you have people say that Servants are supersonic... but then in Heaven's Feel 3, you have a good 2-3 minute fight of Salter and Medusa fighting huge parts of the ceiling falling to the ground... but it's only just those parts falling down, nothing else... which would be far, far beyond hypersonic.
This also has them basically going full stupid when they DO bring up how stupid fast Servants or other beings can be:
(This has been rounded down to Mach 1547, by the way).
Which then has people trying to act as if it suddenly FGO works on having a whole different franchise in each story to make sense of it
Because they vehemently believe that only Nasu is "consistent" when it comes to speed feats just so they can keep Servants at Supersonic... despite the man being the one who okays all of this and then created the scene where Ciel is able to deal with a Dead Apostle that can become legit Lightning no problem.
Nasu tends to break Spacebattles something fierce. King of time
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I deliberately let myself be trap
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