Aleister Crowley vs Dr. Doom

[Masterblack06]

If he can make an animal visualize the Big Bang, a scientist no doubt familiar with the subject will be even easier to pull.

Your being deliberately obtuse about this

You did it again, you went in the circle. "Well she did it on animals therefore itll work on doom" why? "Ah well hes a scientist so hes easier to trick". You have once again defaulted to "Its just going to work" without actually providing a single shred of evidence that it will

Your just expecting us to believe that Doom is going to see her pull up some imaginary binocculars and hes going to go "binnoculars = big bang" for absolutely no reason at all outside of "aleister is good at tricking people" and "it worked on animals"

Im not being obtuse, your just not providing evidence to make any of this make sense.

If your just gonna continue to debate in absolute circles like this then I'm outta here as this isnt a debate this is talking to wall. Respond to me in this thread no further

 

[Paxton]

You did it again, you went in the circle. "Well she did it on animals therefore itll work on doom" why? "Ah well hes a scientist so hes easier to trick". You have once again defaulted to "Its just going to work" without actually providing a single shred of evidence that it will

Your just expecting us to believe that Doom is going to see her pull up some imaginary binocculars and hes going to go "binnoculars = big bang" for absolutely no reason at all outside of "aleister is good at tricking people" and "it worked on animals"

Im not being obtuse, your just not providing evidence to make any of this make sense.

If your just gonna continue to debate in absolute circles like this then I'm outta here as this isnt a debate this is talking to wall. Respond to me in this thread no further

I think you're still misunderstanding how the spell works.

To quote myself again from the 5th page:


"He's only bringing it up because people misinterpreted what the spell does and assumed that it requires the target to make a massive leap in logic when it forcefully conjures up the effect "from" their mind (it's more accurate to compared it to a voodoo doll rather than direct mental manipulation).

Like you said in the first page or so about "why would Doom think of the Big Bang because of binoculars lol". That's just not how the spell works. Astaro explained that."

 

[Paxton]

Nine pages and we still haven't even started talking about the Blasting Rod, arguably the best part of his arsenal

 

[Astaro]

Again:



You posting the main reason doesn't stop it from definitely being a reason why he basically just went "Nah, I'm out" and went with Science.

Yes, because it causing his daughters death and the rest of the Golden Dawn who he used to break bread and call friends not giving a fuck was the last straw for him. What am I leaving out?

Well you need to look harder as I ain't drawing you a map.

You need to explain exactly how this correlated to Overlord which you haven’t.

Not collisions. Just brushes and scrapes and Magic simply increases how often they do so.

Collisions is Coronzon’s plan

EDIT: Also, I don't see how that proves that Phases are Universal considering a number of Religions Afterlifes and Divine Legends are very small places or atleast the size of a Planet, bare minimum.

Magic Gods are Multiversal - Definitive Edition

Alright, let clear some things up, showing irrefutable proof and even more importantly, putting to rest near decade long hoaxes about Magic Gods and the cosmology of the verse. All the following quotes are taken straight from Baka Tsuki’s js06’s translation of the series + some translations...

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Not like it matters since we’re arguing an immensely overrated comic villain without a single planet level feat of his own to his name

You did it again, you went in the circle. "Well she did it on animals therefore itll work on doom" why? "Ah well hes a scientist so hes easier to trick". You have once again defaulted to "Its just going to work" without actually providing a single shred of evidence that it will

Your just expecting us to believe that Doom is going to see her pull up some imaginary binocculars and hes going to go "binnoculars = big bang" for absolutely no reason at all outside of "aleister is good at tricking people" and "it worked on animals"

Im not being obtuse, your just not providing evidence to make any of this make sense.

If your just gonna continue to debate in absolute circles like this then I'm outta here as this isnt a debate this is talking to wall. Respond to me in this thread no further

And you’re doing it again. Just whining it doesn’t make sense.

Take it up with Kamachi how Crowley is able to make you think of the Big Bang by just imitating a pair of binoculars

There’s nothing else for me to do then provide the scans and feats of Crowley doing just that.

 

[Paxton]

Oh my god I didn't even notice Xhom pulling the "phases aren't universes" shit

 

[Flowering Knight]

Yes, because it causing his daughters death and the rest of the Golden Dawn who he used to break bread and call friends not giving a fuck was the last straw for him. What am I leaving out?

You need to explain exactly how this correlated to Overlord which you haven’t.

Not collisions. Just brushes and scrapes and Magic simply increases how often they do so.

Collisions is Coronzon’s plan

Magic Gods are Multiversal - Definitive Edition

Alright, let clear some things up, showing irrefutable proof and even more importantly, putting to rest near decade long hoaxes about Magic Gods and the cosmology of the verse. All the following quotes are taken straight from Baka Tsuki’s js06’s translation of the series + some translations...

onelastforum.com

Not like it matters since we’re arguing an immensely overrated comic villain without a single planet level feat of his own to his name




And you’re doing it again. Just whining it doesn’t make sense.

Take it up with Kamachi how Crowley is able to make you think of the Big Bang by just imitating a pair of binoculars

There’s nothing else for me to do then provide the scans and feats of Crowley doing just that.

Aaaand we hit the point in the thread where the No Aru stans can't come up with a good argument for their side, so they resort to downplaying the other side to get a win.

The To Aru cycle is complete.

Next thread.

 

[Gordo]

Wow 9 pages

Who would have guessed a Toaru thread was the draw here

 

[Astaro]

I’m a master of my craft

 

[xenos5]

Show me how Doom survives getting the Big Bang he thought up in his head becoming the real deal

He survives the same way he survived The Beyonder tearing him up in Secret Wars long enough for his Power Siphon to steal the Beyonder’s Powers. You try to throw big cosmic shit at Doom you better be ready for that shit to get yoinked and turned right back on you.

 

[Astaro]

He survives the same way he survived The Beyonder tearing him up in Secret Wars long enough for his Power Siphon to steal the Beyonder’s Powers. You try to throw big cosmic shit at Doom you better be ready for that shit to get yoinked and turned right back on you.

Scans

 

[Gordo]

Sure. It's from the Infinity Gauntlet. Thor knocks Thanos down and Doom goes for the Gauntlet, only for Thanos to whammy his ass. Dooms armor blocks the attack and he's right back in the fight.

Tbh I don’t know if that’s good for a durability feat. Thanos held back on them because he wanted the fight to look more competitive and impress Death (and he also subconsciously held back because he wanted to lose, but that was revealed later on)

Thanos ends up killing all of them too, even when he was holding back. The gauntlet revives them later

 

[xenos5]

Scans

This is the last thing we’re shown before Doom returns to Battleworld with the Beyonder’s powers absorbed.


But feel free to read the full issue/issues yourself for more context. I’d suggest going to readcomiconline and searching for Marvel Super Heroes Secret War Omnibus Part 2

 

[Gordo]

That’s more a mental resistance feat if anything

But yes, Doom has very strong willpower

 

[xenos5]

That’s more a mental resistance feat if anything

But yes, Doom has very strong willpower

The point is how ridiculous Doom’s Power Siphons are. Dude has absorbed power from Silver Surfer, Galactus, Beyonder, Etc…

Cosmic Beings that can exceed the power of the Big Bang.

 

[Astaro]

This is the last thing we’re shown before Doom returns to Battleworld with the Beyonder’s powers absorbed.
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But full free to read the full issue/issues yourself for more context. I’d suggest going to readcomiconline and searching for Marvel Super Heroes Secret War Omnibus Part 2

Already did while waiting for you to post this issue.

And as usual, context left out.

That’s not Doom on his own, but already himself amped with the Power Cosmic he stole from Galactus which itself required him to build a device to be able to do.

He also got his ass beat anyway and only managed to take Beyonder’s power because Beyond was so fixated on studying every detail about him which gave Doom the chance he needed

So neither tanking Beyonder’s casual attack since Beyonder was clearly telling him to back off nor taking his powers applies to Doom on his own

 

[xenos5]

Already did while waiting for you to post this issue.

And as usual, context left out.

That’s not Doom on his own, but already himself amped with the Power Cosmic he stole from Galactus which itself required him to build a device to be able to do.

He also got his ass beat anyway and only managed to take Beyonder’s power because Beyond was so fixated on studying every detail about him which gave Doom the chance he needed

And? What does that context change?

Technology with the capacity to siphon energy from Galactus and The Beyonder are beyond what is required to absorb a Big Bang explosion. They are both massively multiversal.

 

[Astaro]

And? What does that context change?

Changes everything. You tried to pass off Doom both fighting Beyonder and siphoning his power as his own feats when:

1) This was Doom with Galactus’ Power Cosmic, not himself

2) Beyonder was literally telling him not to get too close to him, as just the power he passively radiates was killing him

Technology with the capacity to siphon energy from Galactus and The Beyonder are beyond what is required to absorb a Big Bang explosion. They are both massively multiversal.

That’s great. Too bad this is a random encounter so unless you can argue Doom stores the device he used to steal Galactus power up his ass and can activate and strap himself to it, it’s not mattering here

 

[Paxton]

I think the whole "tank the Big Bang" argument is pretty much missing the point

the spell is voodoo shit, it doesn't necessarily correlate to you actually tanking that level of force (not that Aleister can't make the Big Bang "real", mind you)

 

[Gordo]

Wasn’t Galactus’ ship the size of a solar system?

It’s been years since I read the original Secret Wars but I do remember that being stated

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Wasn’t Galactus’ ship the size of a solar system?

It’s been years since I read the original Secret Wars but I do remember that being stated

Yes, it's been stated that it's that big since a little after his inception.