Ranked Baki Mafia

[Dr. Watson]

Also why?

I'm not going in a circular argument with you - I don't want to, I don't have the energy to

"Reactions to Xenos was strange, your defensiveness toward anyone that disagrees with your take on him is weird, and it doesn't look town friendly. Needless to say, your play feels like it comes from self-perseverance"
"I know you are but what am I"

x1000

It's just my suggestion because alarm bells are ringing off on you too, you can prove me otherwise

 

[Dr. Watson]

Your on the fence about Gram?

Yeah, I actually am

It's instinctual so there isn't s strong basis for it at all

 

[Dr. Watson]

So what would you expect out of scum in her slot?

She didn't vote me she voted her previous town read as it's a weaker option than me while claiming it's to solve me when alternatively it's the best insurance it won't be her.

Well, thanks for reminding me, because while my third party theory enticed me more, I can see her theory about Magic coming to life

Here's where I'm at with her flip now after rethinking the scenario
1. Sky was already a threat and well established the moment she got the heebie jeebies
2. If she persisted throughout and on day 1, she'd have enough pull to reverse engineer a lynch onto Magic
3. As helpful it would be to use her as bait, there would be no guarantee she'd be lynchbait for long - there's too much of a risk from scum's POV because she's naturally a strong player, with a strong voice
4. Her role simply made things far more convenient

What is the reason for a Magic lynch here?

Why?

Answering the questions with the above

1. This is based on scum tactics - this play makes the most sense to me considering her prior interactions and suspicion over Magic's slot and her noting of potential thread control on his part
2. This is based on an indirect legacy read going by her interactions from her
3. Dead slot, alive slot

Arguably this isn't pulled from a strong basis, but frankly, I see motive

 

[Dr. Watson]

Leftover quote from some ISO from Magic lmao

 

[xenos5]

And is this Izou pMotobe important in the flavor?

He at one point fights one of the convicts, a character that would be in the scum team (Yanagi). He’s a weapon specialist but isn’t super strong or has powerful martial arts techniques like most other Baki characters.

So I guess I would say semi-important (most of his importance comes from a later arc I’m not sure will even be covered in this game). He isn’t a main character. Just a supporting character that pops up occasionally and has a few noteworthy fights.

 

[Dr. Watson]

But this is perfect, I'll get to see his reaction live

Popcorn dot gif

 

[Aurelian]

I'm not going in a circular argument with you - I don't want to, I don't have the energy to

"Reactions to Xenos was strange, your defensiveness toward anyone that disagrees with your take on him is weird, and it doesn't look town friendly. Needless to say, your play feels like it comes from self-perseverance"
"I know you are but what am I"

x1000

It's just my suggestion because alarm bells are ringing off on you too, you can prove me otherwise

The proof is in the objective consensus that the only one getting defensive, annoyed, and otherwise bothered was him, not me, by the reactions of most other posters tbh my girl. Beyond that, you seem weirdly interested in pushing Gram's pov despite the fact he was prepping you for a mislynch and indicated you had little credibility so this is odd. He also shaded Tweet earlier and went roundabout in the way he did it.

I don't find your reasons sound and I certainly don't understand your echoing a push on Magic. It doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Chairman Nibel]

Leftover quote from some ISO from Magic lmao

Bro will try to convince Magic that Magic is a scum

 

[Chairman Nibel]

He at one point fights one of the convicts, a character that would be in the scum team (Yanagi). He’s a weapon specialist but isn’t super strong or has powerful martial arts techniques like most other Baki characters.

So I guess I would say semi-important (most of his importance comes from a later arc I’m not sure will even be covered in this game). He isn’t a main character. Just a supporting character that pops up occasionally and has a few noteworthy fights.

Fake claims exist. Frinckles was cool at the beginning but he does nothing now. But maybe if his character is useless in the flavoe, he wouldn't be able to do anything here after all

 

[Dr. Watson]

The proof is in the objective consensus that the only one getting defensive, annoyed, and otherwise bothered was him, not me, by the reactions of most other posters tbh my girl. Beyond that, you seem weirdly interested in pushing Gram's pov despite the fact he was prepping you for a mislynch and indicated you had little credibility so this is odd. He also shaded Tweet earlier and went roundabout in the way he did it.

I don't find your reasons sound and I certainly don't understand your echoing a push on Magic. It doesn't make much sense to me.

>Pushing Gram's POV

You're proving what I actually said earlier
This is actually particularly ironic considering Gram echoed my own sentiments and quoted my entire diatribe you poo poo'd earlier

Onto the argument for "why be on the fence of Gram? He scum considering he prepped and tried to cook you in stew bro"
Well, that's part of why I'm on the fence, duh?
I don't see any clear, outlying agenda pushing but I do see some minor timidity in his involvement that iirc Sky herself caught on to

The biggest thing that made me address my og safe town lean on him was how he approached the Frickles and Bachi lynches - he tends to have more conviction than that as Town, and he also isn't usually so willing to let the tides turn
So either he's indie (hostile) or scum, too

There's other characteristics, however, that don't make me completely abandon the idea of him as town

That's why I'm on the fence

 

[Aurelian]

Answering the questions with the above

1. This is based on scum tactics - this play makes the most sense to me considering her prior interactions and suspicion over Magic's slot and her noting of potential thread control on his part
2. This is based on an indirect legacy read going by her interactions from her
3. Dead slot, alive slot

Arguably this isn't pulled from a strong basis, but frankly, I see motive

I'm gonna pivot off this:

1. Its true that could be a scum tactic - however Gram starts the game by voting me to get a reaction since he's been under the impression I'm easy to read if I'm scum or not
2. Gram accuses me of not playing organically and going in circles around my issues with Xenos and Sky; which is handwaving his own persistence in resisting town reads on me and never changing his perspective at all; entirely static from start to finish
3. He has an immediate reaction to downplay my POV including him with Craig and Sky - which is strange and puts up a red flag when I NEVER town read Gram at any point in day 1 nor said anything to indicate prior that I was not reading him as null or town
4. Your saying because Sky was killed and Magic is alive, therefore Magic would be the culpable one when Sky's main focus iirc was Bachi; which indicates you want an information flip on Magic despite it being more relevant with Bachi going by your logical process
5. Given you priortized Magic as a main lynch you want to see and mine after that; it goes to reason you believe whatever Magic would flip would be indicative of my alignment

 

[Dr. Watson]

Although it's interesting you specifically pointed this out to me - as if you want to press the fact he's a danger to my slot given his actions

 

[Aurelian]

>Pushing Gram's POV

Yes, you are.

You're proving what I actually said earlier

Don't agree at all. You basically taken a stance that any attempt to defend my slot and position is indicative that I'm acting "too defensively" and just going in circles to justify your belief in this.

This is actually particularly ironic considering Gram echoed my own sentiments and quoted my entire diatribe you poo poo'd earlier

I don't care if you echo his sentiments or not, I said its odd you would do so because he was routinely debasing your position and status from the middle to end of the day phase.

Onto the argument for "why be on the fence of Gram? He scum considering he prepped and tried to cook you in stew bro"
Well, that's part of why I'm on the fence, duh?

Well no shit. That's what I was saying, I don't know why your obfuscating about this so hard.

I don't see any clear, outlying agenda pushing but I do see some minor timidity in his involvement that iirc Sky herself caught on to

Weird considering he has clearly prepped an agenda regarding both of us and also has the wiggle room in my eyes as scum to be not pressed hard on Tweet getting killed night 1 and his continued attacks on the town reads on me.

The biggest thing that made me address my og safe town lean on him was how he approached the Frickles and Bachi lynches - he tends to have more conviction than that as Town, and he also isn't usually so willing to let the tides turn

I don't see it here.

So either he's indie (hostile) or scum, too

There's other characteristics, however, that don't make me completely abandon the idea of him as town

That's why I'm on the fence

I don't think he's town, whatever Gram's slot it. I'm perfectly fine with risking everything here to pressure and force him to claim, same with Craig, Jinri and Hayumi as well as Bachi for that matter.

Either Nibel or Freckles can go today, I'm not super attached to the idea they are playing to solve, especially Nibel but I'll readdress it as they interact more in this phase.

 

[Dr. Watson]

I'm gonna pivot off this:

1. Its true that could be a scum tactic - however Gram starts the game by voting me to get a reaction since he's been under the impression I'm easy to read if I'm scum or not
2. Gram accuses me of not playing organically and going in circles around my issues with Xenos and Sky; which is handwaving his own persistence in resisting town reads on me and never changing his perspective at all; entirely static from start to finish
3. He has an immediate reaction to downplay my POV including him with Craig and Sky - which is strange and puts up a red flag when I NEVER town read Gram at any point in day 1 nor said anything to indicate prior that I was not reading him as null or town
4. Your saying because Sky was killed and Magic is alive, therefore Magic would be the culpable one when Sky's main focus iirc was Bachi; which indicates you want an information flip on Magic despite it being more relevant with Bachi going by your logical process
5. Given you priortized Magic as a main lynch you want to see and mine after that; it goes to reason you believe whatever Magic would flip would be indicative of my alignment

I'm actually okay with a Bachi lynch, too

You already know and don't actually have to ask (going to assume you will) why Id prioritize a Magic lynch over a Bachi lynch
Both would be info flips from my POV, not either or. I'd just prefer Magic go first if her and my hunch is correct, because he's obviously the most dangerous. Already covered why, the thread control aspect is always always underlooked. And I don't like it.

Also cut the "this is very weird" act - I'm the stump, dude, you aren't fooling me with this and you can't insinuate I have any agenda from any POV other than a town POV.

Someone can have a lynch candidate while also deeply considering a pool of scum candidates that aren't easily proven to be a nefarious presense until later. And this is where things go very, very wrong.

It's a hunch and the use of hindsight to sniff out scum, not an exact science.

 

[Aurelian]

I'm actually okay with a Bachi lynch, too

You already know and don't actually have to ask (going to assume you will) why Id prioritize a Magic lynch over a Bachi lynch
Both would be info flips from my POV, not either or. I'd just prefer Magic go first if her and my hunch is correct, because he's obviously the most dangerous. Already covered why, the thread control aspect is always always underlooked. And I don't like it.

Also cut the "this is very weird" act - I'm the stump, dude, you aren't fooling me with this and you can't insinuate I have any agenda from any POV other than a town POV.

Someone can have a lynch candidate while also deeply considering a pool of scum candidates that aren't easily proven to be a nefarious presense until later. And this is where things go very, very wrong.

It's a hunch and the use of hindsight to sniff out scum, not an exact science.

No I mean I get where your coming from but I don't think your intentionally arguing in bad faith or with an agenda, so much as being used and lead by the nose to things that Gram or scum would want to help use your legacy as a stump to press another mislynch. I don't think Magic is scum based off his activity but I'll admit Magic is very good at blending as town when he is scum, just like Gram and Ultra. Still would prefer not to force Magic unless something indicates him or there is mech info to get his flip.

My other issue is just "Sky is dead so Magic should go next" is very silly and binary as a resolution. And yes, I can indicate you are pressing someone ELSE's agenda even if you don't think you are.

 

[Dr. Watson]

And who is someone else

 

[Bachi]

I'm actually okay with a Bachi lynch, too

You already know and don't actually have to ask (going to assume you will) why Id prioritize a Magic lynch over a Bachi lynch
Both would be info flips from my POV, not either or. I'd just prefer Magic go first if her and my hunch is correct, because he's obviously the most dangerous. Already covered why, the thread control aspect is always always underlooked. And I don't like it.

Also cut the "this is very weird" act - I'm the stump, dude, you aren't fooling me with this and you can't insinuate I have any agenda from any POV other than a town POV.

Someone can have a lynch candidate while also deeply considering a pool of scum candidates that aren't easily proven to be a nefarious presense until later. And this is where things go very, very wrong.

It's a hunch and the use of hindsight to sniff out scum, not an exact science.

Not to boast or anything, but I think that I had more thread control last phase than Magic, since my main push got more traction, I feel weird that Magic, Craig, and Gramm were basically ok with a no lynch last day phase, so one of them will most likely be wolf here, I actually have Magic in a more favorable spot rn than lets say Gramm, mainly because of his push on Sky, but we can always make this day phase a claim fest and decide what to do.

 

[Aurelian]

And who is someone else

I'm pretty consistently implying its Gram lol

 

[Dr. Watson]

Whats your take on Craig, Fang

 

[Dr. Watson]

I'm pretty consistently implying its Gram lol

I know.

but I wanted extra clarification - I don't see the point in dropping a name and then suddenly making it vague after laying it on so thick previouly, made me double-check