Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

[Derpmaster9000]

Bruh if higher-tiered characters get rekt by a verse that caps out at planet level and MHS what makes them think Accelerator stands a chance against Supes, let along composite Supes?

Are we sure we even want the answer to that question, given how some of them think? That shit could lead us all down quite the damn rabbit hole.

 

[Masterblack06]

Eternal Reminder

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Seven Deadly Sins [NNT] vs Gotei 13 [Bleach] vs The Hokage [Naruto]

As a pseudo member of the seven deadly sins, as a pseudo hokage, and as a former Gotei 13 member Elizabeth, Sasuke, and Aizen each join their respective groups in this fight Everyone here is at the peak of their power but start off in their base forms Since peak versions seem a bit ambiguous...

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This thread is an absurd dumpster fire between 7DS wank, TYBW Aizen wank or someone tried to legit use Baryon Mode Naruto seriously.
The Captains and Aizen pretty much roll over both groups but the nature of how SB does it gives them no favors.

Baldur (God of War) vs Archer (Fate Stay Night)

Both sides have all of their feats Both sides are in-character Both sides are unaware of each other capabilities Both sides start 200 meters apart of each other Fight to death or complete incapacitation Takes place in the middle of Iceland If Archer stomps, Baldur is assisted by Kratos If Baldur...

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I'm either sure Baldur wins this or Archer can in fact make a weapon made out of Mistletoe but again, it's weird how they are acting like EMIYA wouldn't know Norse lore considering he knew enough about Gungnir to easily say Cu's Gae Bolg is superior to it... that would mean he met Odin or the Norse AoG atleast once in his endless fight for Humanity.

 

[Magicx2]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...one-piece.994201/?post=82067668#post-82062187

Accelerator can get put up against DBS characters and have reasonable arguments for why he wins. The fuck is Law or Kid gonna do?

Lol

 

[OtherGalaxy]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...one-piece.994201/?post=82067668#post-82062187


Lol

>anime scaling fir ToAru

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

https://forums.spacebattles.com/thr...one-piece.994201/?post=82067668#post-82062187


Lol

Considering they ignore shit blatantly stated in the Nasu series for their own stupid interpretations on a constant basis, no wonder they legit believe Z-Fighters can't affect concepts... despite blatantly being able to fuck with Universal Concepts since the Buu Saga:

Gae Bolg (Fate) vs Zeref Dragneel (Fairy Tail)

This is not actually what happened. This is very much explicitly because of how Gae Bolg and Frag works instead of anything else. Frag turns back time and interrupts the cause of the attack and counters. The problem is that Gae Bolg inverts Cause and Effect, meaning that even if the cause is...

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This is not actually what happened.

This is very much explicitly because of how Gae Bolg and Frag works instead of anything else. Frag turns back time and interrupts the cause of the attack and counters. The problem is that Gae Bolg inverts Cause and Effect, meaning that even if the cause is stopped, the effect still takes place cause the order is inverted. Which leads to them both activating anyway. The effect already happened when the cause occurred, so Frags ability to interrupt the cause doesn't matter.

This isn't Gae Bolg countering someone reversing time, this is explicitly an interaction of those two weapons based on how they function.

Except the scene explicitly goes against that as Fragrach's "Special Interaction" with Gae Bolg is EXACTLY what happens if you ever try to go back in time to stop or kill Cu when he already used Gae Bolg in general:
Causality is already in effect and your heart gets pierced and you die. He even mentions Fragrach rewinds time so again, what would Zeref do that would be any different that isn't changing going back in time?

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Yoriichi Tsugikuni (Demon Slayer) vs Sasaki Kojiro (Fate)

Not quite the same thing. The argument for not scaling FSN Servants to other work showings is FSN is a finished work and one that doesn't allow those showings to be true. You cannot argue these Servants are all capable of wiping cities off the map with single swings when in FSN that simply...

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"So we can deny Servant collateral damage, we should do the same thing for collateral damage from DS right?"

Not quite the same thing.

The argument for not scaling FSN Servants to other work showings is FSN is a finished work and one that doesn't allow those showings to be true. You cannot argue these Servants are all capable of wiping cities off the map with single swings when in FSN that simply didn't happen- not with clashes, not with blocks, not with misses or anything else.

People are generally cool with acknowledging destruction won't be the same for every fight. But contradictory destruction from separate works seems to cross a line.




Btw canon arguments are the OPs job. Says so in the OP Guidelines. Dunno how often I'll have to repeat that for Fate matches but at this point I'll just assume, "At least once more".

This dude might as well say he's bias as shit as this is just disrespectful. "They didn't blow away cities with their attacks, so they can't stack to their other selves" and somehow stating that Muzan nearly dying in a hillside explosion shouldn't count against him? Or the fact that all Rengoku did was bump ONE train car and suddenly, that scales to beyond what Yoriichi is capable of because he stomped Muzan with ease?
... Does he not realize how dumb this argument is? Especially when Servant Summons are 1:1 with the only differences is if it's a specialized summon, shitty summon or a good or bad Master, that's it.

Yoriichi Tsugikuni (Demon Slayer) vs Sasaki Kojiro (Fate)

I mean, Demon Slayer isn't particularly inconsistent with it? 99% of the characters uses swords and rarely causes damage beyond anything they cut. And when Muzan hits something, it gets crushed. He can one-shot nearly anybody with a direct hit. I'm sure there are some minor things, though I...

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I mean, Demon Slayer isn't particularly inconsistent with it? 99% of the characters uses swords and rarely causes damage beyond anything they cut. And when Muzan hits something, it gets crushed. He can one-shot nearly anybody with a direct hit.

I'm sure there are some minor things, though I can't really recall them.

There sure as hell aren't mountain busting attack only roughing up a hallway.



Also, ridicolous exaggerations again. The effects don't have to be the same, just not tens of thousands lesser or greater.

Tanjirou literally started his career effortlessly cutting through a fucking huge ass boulder and NEVER does anything equivalent to that again for months, if not a good year AFTER being accepted into the Demon Corp.

This is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Yoriichi Tsugikuni (Demon Slayer) vs Sasaki Kojiro (Fate)

It's not a matter of not always causing them, it's a matter of being limited by the inability to cause them. Saber manages to slow Berserker's blows somewhat by interposing gravestones in between them. Unless these gravestones are made of compressed mountains, that Berserker's blows are at all...

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It's not a matter of not always causing them, it's a matter of being limited by the inability to cause them.

Which still counts against Demon Slayer... which was the entire point of the man's argument of why are we using the inconsistent environmental damage against Fate but not Demon Slayer.

Saber manages to slow Berserker's blows somewhat by interposing gravestones in between them. Unless these gravestones are made of compressed mountains, that Berserker's blows are at all slowed is evidence against him exerting mountain-busting levels of strength.

Ah, so random author error can be counted against it... but apparently not Muzan nearly dying in a hillside explosion or Tanjirou not being able to replicate his Boulder cutting feat in any capacity until like the middle of the series?

Kojiro manages to maintain a terrain advantage against Berserker. Unless the steps in front of Ryuudou Temple are made of compressed mountains, that Berserker was unable to blow away the steps and remove Kojiro's high ground is evidence against him exerting mountain-busting levels of strength.

You can literally use this argument entire for fiction as a whole...
Why didn't The Joker just kill Batman everytime he has him captured? Why didn't Vegeta in his Oozaru form just kill Goku rather than make him suffer? Why didn't Goku Black and Zamasu just raise the city to the ground to kill off the Human Resistance AND Trunks? Why didn't Cell just destroy all of the Islands in a huge blast to find 18 quicker?
These aren't the slam dunks the dude think they are.

This isn't a question of side effects from blows, this is a question of direct applicability in combat. If a character is said to be mountain busting while trying and failing to knock down a regular building, would you believe that they were exerting mountain-busting forces against the building? No, you would not.

AND HOW DOESN'T THIS APPLY TO DEMON SLAYER AGAIN?! Holy shit, this is legit why SB is the fucking worst next to R/CharacterRant... speaking of which:

Yoriichi Tsugikuni (Demon Slayer) vs Sasaki Kojiro (Fate)

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/5p6wzg/so_why_exactly_do_people_say_berserkerfatestay/ I tried finding the picture but the only thing I could find is this reddit page. I don't think it's against the rules for me to post this link but if it is let me know so I can delete it. The...

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>Actually trying to use something from R/CharacterRant seriously
>The Link itself is just people bitching about the same thing and there's only 29 votes and 15 comments.
We have truly reached peak debates.

 

[Magicx2]

I remember SB had a thread how far Madara can come in Demon Slayers.The thread had like 5 or 6 pages lol

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

I remember SB had a thread how far Madara can come in Demon Slayers.The thread had like 5 or 6 pages lol

Yeah and it's fucking amazing how hard they wank that series when it is literally everything they claim to hate about other series:
CT123 literally listed it's best feats a few pages ago:

Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 1: OBD 2027 prologue edition

Really strong punches. The bane of weak as fuck verses everywhere :wow

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And there's no real consistency past Muzan and Doma as nothing else even remotely clashes.
They love using it's non-existent speed feats to go with characters being Hypersonic+ and shit but there's zero basis on it past like the 1 time the characters seem speedy and even the strength feats are halfassed as Tanjiro literally does nothing even close to what he does with the very thing he needs to do to get into the Demon Slayer Corp for potentially most of the series, if ever again.

Demon Slayer can easily be done in by most series(Even fucking RWBY) due to just how meh the feats in the series actually are.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Composite Black Clover character runs a gauntlet

Composite BC character VS Saber Shiki (Fate) Abigail Williams (Fate) Zeref (Fairy Tail) Isshiki Otsustuki (Boruto) Kazuradrop (Fate) Mythological Mystic Code Gilgamesh (Fate) Saber Venus (Fate) Uryū Ishida (Bleach) Luffy (One Piece) Kaido (One Piece) MHX (Fate) King Hassan (Fate) Madara...

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>Most of the list is comprised of Fate characters.
>Primarily arguing about whether Yhwach or Soul King takes it.
>King Hassan would realistically fuck them all up

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Can Tamriel survive the Rumbling?

Depends on what you mean by, "Can Tamriel stop the Rumbling?" Frankly, I just don't see how the continent's regular military powers could stop Eren's plan. Marley, as you'll recall, employs combat tactics similar to those of World War I, and they didn't stand much of a chance without...

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The absolute disrespect from this post as if the shit in the setting isn't primarily basis alone to stop The Rumbling...

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

Can Jujutsu Kaisen verse stop these Nasuverse characters?

What? No Sakura for round 1 `:( Should we also assume Sukuna interupt? I'm basing this that Sukuna is not involved here R1- Fate team has no way of bypassing Gojo besides Shirou being able to make anti magic weapons or Illya trapping the other sides' consciousness into a tree R2- Shiki...

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R1- Fate team has no way of bypassing Gojo besides Shirou being able to make anti magic weapons or Illya trapping the other sides' consciousness into a tree

"The team has no way to bypass Gojou... except the ways they can bypass Gojou" Someone tell this dude that virtually everyone in Fate has ways to bypass Gojou's Infinity(The very fashion of how Kiritsugu's Origin Bullets would work should bypass Infinity in VS terms because Magical Circuits aren't even a "True" part of the body, Many NP's can ignore concepts and attack directly and Shirou has many NPs that can straight up disable Infinity and Rin herself can just stop him from moving with a Gravity Based Gem).

R2- Shiki carries this and MEoPD cuts through Infinity, assuming Araya at his peak (capable of his feats with the hotel) his space manipulation would also be a huge hindrace for them

*Literally forgets Aoko* Wow, just forget about the main chick that can explicitly fight Servants on equal Ground who would stomp this even worse than Shiki and Araya.

R4- No one here can bypass Infinity (Assassin could kill most of the other though) but Mata Hari and Charlotte's mind control could likely work on Gojo. Mind control is not special in Nasu and many characters have resistance and ways to flush out mind control, yet theirs is still incredibly powerful to bypass those and work on characters with stronger resistance

Huh? Charlotte's NP explicitly causes you to drop your guard when she's in Range and Mata Hari has a skill that doesn't allow her to be perceived as a threat unless her allies out her.
>Includes Caster Da Vinci
How DOESN'T she bypass it either?

 

[OtherGalaxy]

you know who's folding Gojo in half


Megatron

 

[Myralice]

Hey fellas, who wins between a horde of very tall fuckers and two nerds who can summon the god of time?

Can Tamriel survive the Rumbling?

Eren, leading his army of thousands of Colossal titans arrive in Tamriel and have plans to crush everything in land. The first province to be attacked is Black Marsh, from there they will keep going, invading every other province until there is nothing left. Which provinces have better of...

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[Xhominid The Apex]

Netero (HxH) runs a little FSN Gauntlet

location: where Netero and Meruem first fought No Prep In character Standard Equipment Starting Distance: same as Netero and Meruem all have a Rin Level Master 1. Archer 2. Lancer 3. Rider 4. Saber (No Avalon) R1: VN FSN and UBW Anime feats R2: FGO feats and scaling (not the manga just the...

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Already expect the obvious "Meruem is able to defeat characters he has no right facing" here with nonsensical reasons.

 

[Flowering Knight]

Hey fellas, who wins between a horde of very tall fuckers and two nerds who can summon the god of time?

Can Tamriel survive the Rumbling?

Eren, leading his army of thousands of Colossal titans arrive in Tamriel and have plans to crush everything in land. The first province to be attacked is Black Marsh, from there they will keep going, invading every other province until there is nothing left. Which provinces have better of...

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There is straight-up fodder in TES that can solo all of AOT. You don't even need to play the games or do calcs to figure this out, most of the crazy shit is archived in the Imperial Library, and it's right there.

 

[OtherGalaxy]

There is straight-up fodder in TES that can solo all of AOT. You don't even need to play the games or do calcs to figure this out, most of the crazy shit is archived in the Imperial Library, and it's right there.

pretty sure I've seen SB argue that the imperial library and other texts are invalidated by the games, or some shit

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

There is straight-up fodder in TES that can solo all of AOT. You don't even need to play the games or do calcs to figure this out, most of the crazy shit is archived in the Imperial Library, and it's right there.

That would imply they would even do that...
Just like with the Nasuverse, just like with Star Wars, most of these answers are blatantly available and easy to find or just ask around, no calcs needed... and they still refuse to do even that.
Because for them, big boom and seeming to go fast is more than enough... unless it's a verse they don't like, then they will find anything that goes with their purview even if it's described in the same scene why that is.

 

[Xhominid The Apex]

pretty sure I've seen SB argue that the imperial library and other texts are invalidated by the games, or some shit

They would.
SB is EXACTLY the type of people that would take any feat seen in Demon Slayer at face value but not extend it to anything else by proxy because of some "bullshit reason here".