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Circus of Humorous & Humiliating Arguments Part 4 Part 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Astaro said:
Gremmy.

Izzard’s feats are pretty good and he legitimately lost to a genuine Dragon Strike in the end, not something he imagined like previously thought

Can only do so much when Dragon Strike literally just goes “No.”
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Gremmy is legit the upgrade tho? His reality warping isn't so finicky and uncontrollable that he needs to hypnotize himself, he can mostly do the same things Izzard does, he doesn't need to speak to warp reality, and even without the Visionary he's MHS and above shit like Lanza.

The only difference really is that Izzard's are permanent while Gremmy's exist as long as he remembers. But in terms of actual capability Gremmy is way better.

Izzard's only a minor superhuman, he isn't a trained fighter, he needs the acupuncture needles and to speak to use Ars Magna, and he's weak to powers he doesn't know or cannot see and easily loses his cool...

In a fight all of the Union members blitz his ass off since you get MHS to relativistic speeds that scale to everyone in the first three arcs of the series (Andy dodging laser beams from the UFO vs Gina, and Andy and Shen dodging Phase 2 Spoil's beam)

Mind you, all Juiz or Shen have to do is look at him and Izzard says "Summon a car above me" and kills himself.
 
Cryso Agori said:
Gremmy is legit the upgrade tho? His reality warping isn't so finicky and uncontrollable that he needs to hypnotize himself, he can mostly do the same things Izzard does, he doesn't need to speak to warp reality, and even without the Visionary he's MHS and above shit like Lanza.
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We’re not talking stats but what they’ve done and how they lost. Gremmy lost from having limits to his imagination. Izzard lost from literal Dragon ex Machina
Cryso Agori said:
The only difference really is that Izzard's are permanent while Gremmy's exist as long as he remembers. But in terms of actual capability Gremmy is way better.
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Nah, besides what he does being permanent changes, he’s just done more like create an endless space between him and his opponent, wipe out memories, reality warp someone into dying, reverse time to undo damage, and in the novels, bring back the dead (the students killed during his Homunculus’ mindless rampage.
Cryso Agori said:
Izzard's only a minor superhuman, he isn't a trained fighter, he needs the acupuncture needles and to speak to use Ars Magna, and he's weak to powers he doesn't know or cannot see and easily loses his cool...
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Stats doesn’t equal their reality warping and only lost his cool against the Dragon Strike, and at least while still trying to fight it.

Cryso Agori said:
In a fight all of the Union members blitz his ass off since you get MHS to relativistic speeds that scale to everyone in the first three arcs of the series (Andy dodging laser beams from the UFO vs Gina, and Andy and Shen dodging Phase 2 Spoil's beam)

Mind you, all Juiz or Shen have to do is look at him and Izzard says "Summon a car above me" and kills himself.
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They’re up against the whole city, not just Izzard specifically who will lay low in his building where anyone outside can’t even interact with him lest he leave his space while he can interact with them
 
Any hiding or prep gets rendered useless because Fuuko has the G-Liner which shows her the future.

:heston
 
Masterblack06 said:
Any hiding or prep gets rendered useless because Fuuko has the G-Liner which shows her the future.

:heston
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Btw, just a fact. Espers, or rather teleporters can "break" fate and predetermined events so they can distort the future and causality. Although there every person, even without powers of esper or magic theoretically can manipulate the entire timeline and universe
 
Mr.OMG said:
Btw, just a fact. Espers, or rather teleporters can "break" fate and predetermined events so they can distort the future and causality. Although there every person, even without powers of esper or magic theoretically can manipulate the entire timeline and universe
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human observation moment

(post the quote about Magic Gods being remade like puzzle pieces and the quote about the Forgotten God getting altered by human observation)
 
Fighting Union is basically a series of two questions.

First, "are you a multiversal reality warper". If yes, you win. If not, move to question two.

Second, can you avoid, work around, or bypass the Negators abilities.

Incidentally, if one of them is Unjustice then the answer to question 2 is just always "No" because in the context of a VS battle her ability just immediately makes the enemy kill themselves :skully
 
CrossTheHorizon said:
Fighting Union is basically a series of two questions.

First, "are you a multiversal reality warper". If yes, you win. If not, move to question two.

Second, can you avoid, work around, or bypass the Negators abilities.

Incidentally, if one of them is Unjustice then the answer to question 2 is just always "No" because in the context of a VS battle her ability just immediately makes the enemy kill themselves :skully
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Hmm. In theory (well, as in theory, it's already a fact), the power of even an ordinary human being is a priori superior to the physical universe and all its laws (like timeline, space, fate, causality and probability), and can even influence the higher worlds (by creating Phases). Kamachi adds so many details that I can't remember them all. Like the fact that each person has their own world/universe inside of them (the whole thing about man being created in the image of god, so man also has a spark of divinity, and can create worlds too, and the human body and world is a prison for humanity, etc.), the laws of which they can impose on the outside world, like Izzard did. He was literally pulling things out of his internal world. But I don't know how this could interact with other verse, well except that mages could literally remove laws from other worlds(laws from Phases) thus preventing them from using magic from the respective religion or mythology. And most likely I've forgotten some important thing again, but which I'll remember in a few days or weeks :mjlol
 
Yeah Unjustice is fucking wild because even if she doesn't know what your sense of justice is. She can see what people's sense of justice is and then that shit just gets negated and they either kill themselves, others, or just act contrary to what their "justice" is
 
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