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T-Pein™

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i dont really have a case for u
the only reason u make my poe list is bc idk how to town read u this game
and then for today its bc rdk died wanting to lynch u today
u being there is more like a "idk where else to put u that really feels right so im just going to have u float around in poe"
tho i will admit, the fact that ur at least willing to hear me out unlike the majority here makes me feel a bit better abt ur slot
u and lethal can switch places on my legacy reads

LEGACY
T1: T-Pein, Lord Melkor, Flower
T2: Xadlin, Watson
T3: Tweet, Lethal
T4: Luka, Ratchet

I won't let you down if you flip town hime chan.
But you have got to go.

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Ratchet

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I also dislike the way you've tried to play to my ego today as well - when you invoked my survival and told me my pushes must all be garbage. It's like you want me to reverse course and question myself just because I haven't died yet.

Kweh
 

Dr. Watson

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Oh, yes

What do I think Luka is doing?
I already noted this ISO stuff is NAI - if he's scum it's out of paranoid self-preservation in the attempt to clear himself before the tides turn (if you, for instance, flip town or something) like he did previously

If he's town, he's just trying to do what he does by gathering ISOs bit by bit

Here, he isn't necessarily on the chopping block per se (and Ratchet's clear if you flip scum probably alleviates that paranoia anyway) so it doesn't seem to be out of self-preservation or some level of panic, he's just vibing and taking advantage of the time given to him because he understands at this point in the game there needs to be some attempt at solving for people to coordinate with him
(This applies to how he's using his votes as well, but I digress as this is also NAI - he tends to just straight up stick to his guns regardless of majority opinion and takes)

His consistency over his read on Mel and Sky make me lean more toward him being town, but some of his quirks make me less willing to give a "blatant town do not touch" sticker to him
 

hime

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I mean that's just not true. Literally every single player has you in their PoE, either an interchangeable slot or not. Again this whole thing is reading more to ke like frustration than any solving - your progression on me has gone from "I'm paranoid again" to "lock scum" because I'm saying we should lynch you. There is no consideration for my wider play all game at all. In fact, that seems to be the case for most of your reads.

I'm bei g patient with him because there is no reason not to be - he basically hasn't played all game so I want to see what he has. I've extended the same to you and what you kiss in all this is you also could be spending your time solving, instead you spend your time on posts like this.

Agreed on the big ISO things, by the way - though I will note he started doing them *after* I said "this is what he does".

Let me get to brass tacks here. Your argument reads more as frustration for being lynched before him which lean scummy to me.

Now consider my perspective on this. You've known for days that I've had you and Xadlin as scum. We come into today and you vote for Luka. That's fine, whatever. Then Xadlin comes and votes Luka based on something that's demonstratably not true. Then he vanishes into the aether again. It's at that point that I insist on lynching you - because I don't like the direction it's going in.

Is my read on Luka weak? Yes, yes it is - look at what I have to work with. For 5 cycles he basically did nothing, and this cycle his go-to was two options that I think are both very likely town. None of it is very good or compelling, but beyond all that, I need to be *right* about him. You characterise it as scummy without even considering my position. Like what do you want me to do with this?

Kweh!
>Luka hasnt played all game with his nearly 400 posts my ass :thisguy:

and yes ofc im going to be frustrated being lynched before a scum read of mine that i feel confident on
like if we all decided to vote u up before giving u ur alco lynch, u would be upset (assuming u r town)
 

hime

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can i just hammer myself? i dont see this going any other way and poyser is awake now anyway
 

Dr. Watson

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i dont really have a case for u
the only reason u make my poe list is bc idk how to town read u this game
and then for today its bc rdk died wanting to lynch u today
u being there is more like a "idk where else to put u that really feels right so im just going to have u float around in poe"
tho i will admit, the fact that ur at least willing to hear me out unlike the majority here makes me feel a bit better abt ur slot
u and lethal can switch places on my legacy reads

LEGACY
T1: T-Pein, Lord Melkor, Flower
T2: Xadlin, Watson
T3: Tweet, Lethal
T4: Luka, Ratchet
Alright, that's fair - I actually was expecting you to double down but you admitting it's more of an abstraction rather than logistics is respectable

But if you have no idea what to do with my slot, or rather a slot like this in general, wouldn't this place me in null rather than PoE territory in your own eyes?

Next question: since I'm in PoE, let's make things less abstract for you.
Is there a world where me having equity with Ratchet have any sense to it?
 

Ratchet

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>Luka hasnt played all game with his nearly 400 posts my ass :thisguy:

and yes ofc im going to be frustrated being lynched before a scum read of mine that i feel confident on
like if we all decided to vote u up before giving u ur alco lynch, u would be upset (assuming u r town)
It's not that I don't understand the frustration, it's actually that you don't seem to have even once considered my position on this.

Firstly, yes he has almost 400 posts. Have you read them? Almost all dreck. He hasn't pushed anything, he's barely given positions, he's completely vanished on several days. Yes that's barely playing. Put it this way - he has more posts than I do, do you think he's played more because of that?

It's funny you say the last part, hime, because that's exactly what you attempted to do Day 4. Based solely on the fact that Rugrat died instead of me. Again, I ask - what do you expect me to do with that? It's like you expect me to just roll over and town read you when you have, in my view, handled my slot in bad faith at several times these last few days.

Kweh!
 

hime

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I also dislike the way you've tried to play to my ego today as well - when you invoked my survival and told me my pushes must all be garbage. It's like you want me to reverse course and question myself just because I haven't died yet.

Kweh
well yea thats exactly what i want u to do?
i think xadlin might be town esp after rdk brought up the way xadlin claimed in an excited way
and ik ur push on me is just wrong too
 

hime

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Alright, that's fair - I actually was expecting you to double down but you admitting it's more of an abstraction rather than logistics is respectable

But if you have no idea what to do with my slot, or rather a slot like this in general, wouldn't this place me in null rather than PoE territory in your own eyes?

Next question: since I'm in PoE, let's make things less abstract for you.
Is there a world where me having equity with Ratchet have any sense to it?
based on what i saw yes?
u should keep in mind that i havent read the majority of dp1 tho so idk much abt ur wagon
 

Ratchet

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well yea thats exactly what i want u to do?
i think xadlin might be town esp after rdk brought up the way xadlin claimed in an excited way
and ik ur push on me is just wrong too
That doesn't mean I'm just completely wrong though? Like I'm not goi g to flip my reads because I haven't died.

If you think I'm just going to stubbornly stick to them independent of any flips then you're just being silly, what you could have done is address the considerations I've laid out with Xadlin instead of all this.

Kweh!
 

Dr. Watson

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Gonna have to cook Ratchet kun if hime town ong.
yeah no

the solve is difficult to put into conclusive ideas that span beyond "this slot has got to be scum because of XYZ" so it could very well just genuinely be plain wrong, too

Hime, if she even is town, is seeing characteristics from Ratchet I don't see
I don't think those characteristics exist frankly

So either she's going insane with tinfoil (which I empathize with) or she's just trying to go down with a fight
Even if Ratchet is deepwolfing, game is done for and town is irrevocably fucked lol

If you allow this, you're going to open up a tremendous amount of window of paranoia that you shouldn't be inviting if Ratchet doesn't get killed
I don't see Ratchet getting killed frankly, regardless of hime's flip, precisely because slots like you are gobbling up the idea already

Which is not an optimal scenario
 

hime

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That doesn't mean I'm just completely wrong though? Like I'm not goi g to flip my reads because I haven't died.

If you think I'm just going to stubbornly stick to them independent of any flips then you're just being silly, what you could have done is address the considerations I've laid out with Xadlin instead of all this.

Kweh!
so where do u go once i flip town?
 

Ratchet

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anyway luka disappeared
gonna just end this
Vote lynch hime
Like just why

I'm even telling you what you can spend your time doing and you'd rather throw your toys out of the pram.

I really don't know what more I could have done to facilitate co-operation here, pathetic.

Kweh
 

T-Pein™

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yeah no

the solve is difficult to put into conclusive ideas that span beyond "this slot has got to be scum because of XYZ" so it could very well just genuinely be plain wrong, too

Hime, if she even is town, is seeing characteristics from Ratchet I don't see
I don't think those characteristics exist frankly

So either she's going insane with tinfoil (which I empathize with) or she's just trying to go down with a fight
Even if Ratchet is deepwolfing, game is done for and town is irrevocably fucked lol

If you allow this, you're going to open up a tremendous amount of window of paranoia that you shouldn't be inviting if Ratchet doesn't get killed
I don't see Ratchet getting killed frankly, regardless of hime's flip, precisely because slots like you are gobbling up the idea already

Which is not an optimal scenario

Let's just wait for the flip.
This could be a last ditch effort by hime.
 
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