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Im here and I’m reading. Just can’t make heads or tails of anything. I like ratchet’s responses to ekko, who, while active, just seems to rehash the same “WHAT ARE YOUR READS BRO” line of scumhunting at every turn. It usually leads into a clusterfuck as I’ve noted in previous games. Again, he’s talkative which is good but at the same time chaotic. Not saying he’s scum but maybe a liability.
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Charlie why could go for Alco when you have me at Null/Scum? Do you think I could be scum with him?
If on the off chance that either Magic or Craig are scum, does anyone think there is potential equity between the two of them? I'm going over Magic and Craig's earlier posts in the game:
- subjects like my town read from Ekko
- Ekko's conversation with me, BPD, Magic, Ratchet, and Craig
- Craig latter coming out to ask Magic to vote on Whicker
- Gramm's distrust of Magic at least in the early day 1 portion and his response to Craig when he voted him
I'm shit at solving people but I still noted this as I go through their posts from earlier yesterday and last night
- subjects like my town read from Ekko
- Ekko's conversation with me, BPD, Magic, Ratchet, and Craig
- Craig latter coming out to ask Magic to vote on Whicker
- Gramm's distrust of Magic at least in the early day 1 portion and his response to Craig when he voted him
I'm shit at solving people but I still noted this as I go through their posts from earlier yesterday and last night
You seem to be under the misguided idea that you’re going to dictate the terms under which I can suspect you, may I ask why?
For what it’s worth, I see the way you’re defending yourself from various players to be more about beating them than convincing them, for example:
- With me you’re appealing to my past success reading you and a perceived sense of unfairness that I’m not considering
- With BPD you’re appealing to your past relationship with him and turning the screws that playing with him hasn’t been fun - I don’t know BPD all that well but he strikes me as a conscientious sort (isn’t he a teacher also?) who would probably be stung by that kind of rebuke
-With Charlie you’re basically trying to mentally DDOS him with endless paragraphs when it’s clear he neither welcomes the interaction or is in a position to reply to it fairly when he isn’t caught up
- I’m not going to read your conversation with ekko but I assume it boils down to finding him a tedious waste of space
I could probably keep going but I think my point is made
The problem with having a wide range is that it’s a sword that cuts both ways - yes it’s entirely feasible you’re town and I’m wrong, I’m not so arrogant as to declare you caught. If anything I’m giving you every opportunity to make me doubt myself. I’m not calling for your head or demanding your death - I just think you’re scum and the best lead for a lynch objectively speaking. If you think that’s unfair or even nefarious, it’s a cross I’ll have to bear.
Ok at this point you need to drop the generalities and deal in specifics
It’s fine to have a set of guiding principles but I want to see you apply them in real time to what players are actually doing, not this fortune cookie wisdom that you’re slipping into
Well, yeah. You bus your scummates a lot from what i remember and he's barely active. So he'd be perfect candidate to throw under the bus.
Or i could just be wrong about you. He looks off in general.
I mean looked. Now that i know he just sheep people i'm not that sure about him anymore.
Fwiw I’m not entirely sold on Alco either which would obviously have ramifications if he is scum
I don't know where you get this from - I'm not dictating terms, I'm asking you questions and for your thoughts on elements that I believe will help me establish how genuine you actually are with your read here. I don't understand why you think it has anything to do with you being able to suspect me, ridiculous statement to be honest.
The problem with all of this is that you're coming at it from a single angle "how could he do this as scum", with apparently no regard for how it works where I'm town. With you, I'm not "appealing" to anything, my interactions with you are not aimed so much at convincing you as they are establishing why you are wrong. Obviously you don't know you're wrong, I do though, and fundamentally it's not to help you read me, it's to help me read you. Do remember that I am a player in this game too you know, I have my own reads to develop.
As for BPD I think this is rather diningenuous of you - that was a small part of the interaction and not really the meat of it as far as I'm concerned. With him, I defended my choice of suspects primarily, awaiting his response.
With Charlie, I pressed him for a response because I'm not prepared to allow vague lines of suspicion to be directed at me, a d once I dug deeper, what do you know - his arguments were based on something he hadn't understood correctly and a misused/poorly applied scumtell. You frame it as it being potentially unfair, but I think this fails to consider what his argument actually amounted to and no, not being rushed wouldn't fix the issues with it. I also don't really have the luxury to wait around all day.
You haven't even read my recent posts towards Ekko apparently so I don't even need to comment there
But you're not though - I don't believe you've given my slot any wider consideration at all. You've simply decided I'm scum because of my first post around Fang, and then every piece of subsequent behaviour that could suggest I'm town has been filed under "could be scum" and every other aspect of what I've said has been framed as exclusively scummy without any regard from what I can see as to whether it *actually* is scummy. The above is a perfect example - you've gone out of your way to find every aspect of every defence I've made as scum motivated as it possibly could be. Now it's entirely possible that behind the scenes you've done more work on this and simply this is the best conclusion you've come to - I'd have some questions there, but the problem is I can't even see any evidence of this happening at all.
Above all, you've said several times that your process is to arrive at a conclusion and then spend the time trying to break it - why can I not see any evidence of this exercise being performed at all here? You don't need to answer the why, you just need to show it, as far as I'm concerned.
Question - is there any single piece of behaviour I can demonstrate that you won't just file under "could be scum"? Like what is your process to read me here? At what point do you ever decide I'm town?
Welp, you missed "agenda" part in your quotes and that's why i quoted you to begin with. Basically you said this:
And i responded with
You literally quoted everything but the response to the sentence i bolded .-.
Tbh, i might've confused him with Muugen on that part. So he could've been coached, gotcha. But again, the whole thing wasn't about you being wrong or right, but about thinking "it's strange" that people look into it. It's just weird.
It's not "Ratchet is scum" argument. It's "i'm not satisfied with your responses to Gram" thing. Idk if you remember.
Can you give me your definition of indie hunting then? For me if someone out of nowhere says something like "this person sounds like indie", it's indie hunting. It's D1 and i have hard time believing someone can realistically distinguish indie from mafia member without tmi. Unless Gram's indie Play is so characteristic it should be obviouse, but given that you're the only person who mentioned it and some people actually disagreed, i don't think that's the case.
What are these "missing elements" you're talking about? You're being cryptic for no reason.
Yeah, anything more specific that "scum"/"town" on D1 is pretty sus for me.
I'd assume he read posts he quoted though. It's not as if he came in saying "idk Ratchet kinda sus". So he read enough to make a case on you. So he did read. Not everything, sure.
Last thing i'd want to do as scum of any kind is starting wagon on you. Especially lacking motivation and without reading the thread. And i assume many people would agree. Take it as a complement.
It's just thought that came to your mind yet you're explaining it in like 4 paragraphs instead of saying something like "it's just a thought, nvm".
Or maybe he's just town? From my pov you assumed he's scum after he came for you.
Don't you need 11 votes to get lynched? I'm pretty sure you're not even close. I'd rather get some alternatives. Like Alco thing.
I'm talking about what you're doing after being caught though. Super defensive, bit agressive, "you'll feel dumb after my flip", all that.
Only threated to do so .-.
Is that really what i'm doing before going to bed? It's night already
I'll respond to the bits I miss from this tomorrow:
As in if I said "we need to focus on finding the serial killer ASAP guys" so I use that to ignore links between partners etc.
Okay so my agenda is to get a misly ch on Famg, wherein I start my saying he's scum and then in minutes say "no he's town". Really Charlie?
Indie hunting would be hunting for Indies over Mafia...
As in if I said "we need to focus on finding the serial killer ASAP guys" so I use that to ignore links between partners etc.
It's in the post where I said "I don't think Gram is Scum/Town because of ..."? Like I've explained this position in full Charlie, you've just read it apparently so how are you not aware of what I've argued?
Yes, how long have you known me for now? When have you ever seen me drop something with "it's just a thought, nvm"?
I didn't say the last part at all, and you're comparing apples to oranges. There is a significant difference between being caught outright and this - my posting in Batman was to buy at most one more lynch. You've also in this post tried to downplay the level of suspicion on me so how are you both doing that and also equating my play to a game where I'm as caught as you can possibly be? Why is context not a consideration here?
Well, no. Unless you're confirmed as innocent child. Everyone other than me could be scum for all i know. But i'm pretty sure you meant to Ask if i'm biased. I hope i'm not.
It was just a thing to keep in mind. If we lynched Alco today and he flipped scum you'd obviously look much better to me
Well I don't think you're scum for this but it strikes me as if you don't really commit to a town read almost ever here. I'm not asking bias, purely about what you're using to read me. Again if you see my responses to Ekko you'd know why that's what I'm looking out for.
It was but as scum he would know I'd have no trouble with it - very unlikely he puts himself on the line like that when he could just as easily let it play out.
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