The Magical Gods are not stronger than Coronzon. Even while in a human body (when she was extremely weakened and could not use the pure elements and so on) she was the enemy that humanity could not defeat at this point in development. The narrative explicitly said that Coronzon was equal to or even stronger than Aiwass in power (and we know that Aiwass could defeat all the Magical Gods, since Secret Chiefs are stronger in principle than the Magical Gods). Coronzon could also destroy the Pure World (along with it the Sephiroth Tree) with a ritual, a feat that was impossible for the Magical Gods.Like despite the fact she only sees humans as animals, Coronzon knew she was fucked when she realized she landed on WR Earth.
The former doesn't really necessitate being stronger though, just having better control over their powers so as to not nuke it on accident, like I said.The fact that Othinus even at her best was never “destroy the entire universe by accident level strong” as well as her dependence on Gungnir to effectively use her power which the other Magic Gods don’t need
Coronzon is of Briah after all, while Magic Gods are limited to Assiah.The Magical Gods are not stronger than Coronzon. Even while in a human body (when she was extremely weakened and could not use the pure elements and so on) she was the enemy that humanity could not defeat at this point in development. The narrative explicitly said that Coronzon was equal to or even stronger than Aiwass in power (and we know that Aiwass could defeat all the Magical Gods, since Secret Chiefs are stronger in principle than the Magical Gods). Coronzon could also destroy the Pure World (along with it the Sephiroth Tree) with a ritual, a feat that was impossible for the Magical Gods.
With only one specific spell.Max Magic God also includes Othinus which we know Coronzon is at least as strong as if not a bit stronger.
Do you mean the ship barrier? Pretty sure even a human could power that with the same result, seeing how it is made to be used by the royal family. It's just one of those really strong spells.It is pretty strange that she gets toyed with by nerfed MGs when the barrier that she powered with her own mana is able to withstand "max-value" Magic God attacks.
The way they describe it, it’s because Othinus isn’t at their levelThe former doesn't really necessitate being stronger though, just having better control over their powers so as to not nuke it on accident, like I said.
I don't really see how the latter means they're stronger either?
“But, High Priest,” cut in a girl’s voice that sounded even younger and also childish. “Miss Zombie’s theory is essentially the same as holding up opposing mirrors, right? By splitting up our power infinitely, we can intentionally weaken ourselves and avoid destroying the world whenever we move an arm or leg.”
“What about it, Niang-Niang?”
“I’m just wondering if the symbol ∞ will really grow weaker when you split it up. I don’t want to smash the world up like stained glass the first step I take. We’re not like Othinus.”
So how strong exactly would you put the Nerfed MGs/Aiwass (not full power)/Coronzon then?With only one specific spell.
One has to keep in mind that ToAru is no shonen. Spells can vary in power wildly since they don't operate on energy input = energy output logic. A sufficiently skilled magician can theoretically reach any level power with their spells, regardless of their original powerlevel. That's the whole "magic needs no talent"-idea.
The nerfed magic gods are not above regular Othinus, as Coronzon's durability and other stuff is not at the same level as Magick:Flaming_Sword.
Do you mean the ship barrier? Pretty sure even a human could power that with the same result, seeing how it is made to be used by the royal family. It's just one of those really strong spells.
It’s actually a lot more like Shounen than you think. Like the Golden Dawn being where their at because their mages able to call upon Magic God levels of power.With only one specific spell.
One has to keep in mind that ToAru is no shonen. Spells can vary in power wildly since they don't operate on energy input = energy output logic. A sufficiently skilled magician can theoretically reach any level power with their spells, regardless of their original powerlevel. That's the whole "magic needs no talent"-idea.
The nerfed magic gods are not above regular Othinus, as Coronzon's durability and other stuff is not at the same level as Magick:Flaming_Sword.
Do you mean the ship barrier? Pretty sure even a human could power that with the same result, seeing how it is made to be used by the royal family. It's just one of those really strong spells.
For the first one, I don't recall the exact statement but they did literally fight each other in space.When is Coronzon said to be equal to Aiwass? Or Aiwass and the Secret Chiefs being stronger than the Magic Gods? I don't remember when that was said.
Also, tbh Irradiance is right and wrong, because it's true that having a lot of magic power can allow you to do crazy shit. But then there is also the fact that you have OT 4's entire plot being based of Touya collecting so many good luck charms it turned into powerful magic.
It seems to be said when Aleister Crowley holds off the Coronzon. This was the context that Aleister must hurry, as the Coronzon is equal to or stronger than the Aiwass. If Aleister does not make it in time, humanity will lose.When is Coronzon said to be equal to Aiwass? Or Aiwass and the Secret Chiefs being stronger than the Magic Gods? I don't remember when that was said.
All we need is for Kamachi to (somehow) confirm that stuff like the Hindu Phase or the Lovecraft Mythos Phase is 1:1 with the actual myth in terms of size/complexity, and then we're golden.It seems to be said when Aleister Crowley holds off the Coronzon. This was the context that Aleister must hurry, as the Coronzon is equal to or stronger than the Aiwass. If Aleister does not make it in time, humanity will lose.
This was said in 22NTR, the narrative explicitly stated that the Secret Chiefs are stronger than the Magical Gods. Like, just like Aiwass is stronger than Othinus, just like Secret Chiefs are stronger than the Magical Gods.
Remind me what actually supports True Gremlin being stronger than Othinus again?
I thought they were just salty about Othinus (and Aiwass, on the subject of calling people "failures") gaining an "understander" in the form of Touma and actually having the control to not nuke the World just by being it, with True Gremlin sorely lacking that ability.
It’s actually a lot more like Shounen than you think. Like the Golden Dawn being where their at because their mages able to call upon Magic God levels of power.
Also Gabriel pulls of Astro in Hand specifically because it has the magic power well beyond most humans to perform such a feat
I fail to see how this doesn’t apply to Coronzon in every sense. The barrier and Magick Flaming Sword both come from her mana, and she herself is just a huge mass of Telesma.
Saints possess greater levels of Magic than the average mage. That’s why the Saint Destroyer spell affects them more than a normal magician and also why Acqua was especially susceptible to it since he had multiple different powers inside him while also being a Saint running at 200% power.If I remember correctly Aleister has less magic power normally than a Saint though he's obviously superior.
You are definitely right and if anyone works on Shonen logic it's Coronzon whose just a mass of energy and just brute force things.
There's also that passage where Kanzaki throws up a shield to block Carissa hypersonic bunker cluster missiles. Around there it's said that spells casted by Saints are more powerful than the same thing by a normal mage whether this is because of magic power I'm not sure but is there any other reason?
“Magic Gods are those who pursued magic to the point of no longer being human. But these Golden people have remained human while using spells that incorporate even the power of Magic Gods. But it isn’t a case of one side walking all over the other. It’s a complex mess of mutual deception and betrayal. You could say whoever lets their guard down just a little will be consumed.”
I mean he had that fight with Mathers where he had to build up into being the son of God in order to block the magic flow of the the Grimore with sheer magic power.do you have the quote saying Aleister normally possesses less Magic than a Saint? Because this passage says the opposite
Aiwass easily defeated the Invisible Thing that Fiamma at his peak was immensely scared by. That puts vesselless Aiwass at Planet level.So how strong exactly would you put the Nerfed MGs/Aiwass (not full power)/Coronzon then?
Like planet level, star, etc?
Why only planet level though?Aiwass easily defeated the Invisible Thing that Fiamma at his peak was immensely scared by. That puts vesselless Aiwass at Planet level.
Coronzon's usual stuff scales to vesselless Aiwass, seeing as the two were stalemating each other.
The nerfed MG's were fighting on par with Coronzon's usual stuff, so they as well scale to Planet level.
That's how I would scale them.
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