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Game Ranked Tower of God Mafia Thread

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Grammaton

Consigliere
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You prob shouldn’t cite unlikelihood of carelessness as a reason to not suspect this fellow lol - appreciate you’ve played more games with him but his last 2 here have been botchamania
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
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Fair enough
 

Magic

Resplendent
What?

Explain.
Just a departure from his last two games as scum, which gram himself stated day 1 so idk why he suddenly feel likes it's a good direction.

I'm going to be largely AFk today but I'll try to pop in. I'd still like an ultra claim btw.

Ratchet is either indy or town. Not going to be mafia. Not sure why he felt compelled to shoot rugrat but a bunch of people that were town that had me as town are dying which is always the fun build up to some bullshit!
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
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I’ve literally explained in thread, are you claiming ignorance?
 

Psychic

Yennefer
I like this post, feels like genuine solving when you're behind. Can I ask who did you sub into?
Missingo
So why was it a good question? (I wasn’t even asking a question lol, just scoffing at the apparent set up)
I mean, it was a question in the back of my head, like I agree, seems pretty op for town to have two vigs.

Save your brain cells (and everyone else’s)

He’s also claimed vig
So you think Ratchet is scum?

@Ratchet Why did you claim vig when LM was clearly vig?
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
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Missingo

I mean, it was a question in the back of my head, like I agree, seems pretty op for town to have two vigs.


So you think Ratchet is scum?

@Ratchet Why did you claim vig when LM was clearly vig?

I don’t know what to think yet. Just as it makes no sense for Melkor to have claimed big if he wasn’t (and obviously he was), it doesn’t make sense for ratchet to counterclaim him if it isn’t legit.

Sadly that runs contrary to designing a good game as having duplicate town roles is just a trap and usually guarantees at least one mislynch

In short, I wouldn’t be surprised if ratchet were some variety of Indy with a non standard win condition, as that’s probably the neatest explanation. Also think some parts of his play day 1 make a bit more sense through that lens. I’d have expected him to be a lot more condescending toward my standpoint on him vs magic if he were town for example. Nothing ironclad, but I find it implausible he’s also a standard vigilante, and that’s probably the most solid piece of evidence I have
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
Moderator

Why is there 0 mention of Magic in the entirety of this post?
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
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Think the easiest way to reconcile yesterday's events is if Ratchet is some sort of indi, there's no precedent for duplicate roles here. The problem is I don't think he has any reason to do this as SK either

Also has been balking down from my pressuring him to follow up on his own read on Magic in any shape or form which feels conflict averse
 

MangoSenpai

King of Conquerors
I agree there's a high chance Gram isn't town but why do you have Magic and me in your PoE? Did you not see the write-up? I'm poisoned.
Ephasis on that's what I had written in my PM as a thought after D1

Unless we have a town poisoner, which I don't know if I'm going to get scolded for bringing up - you're probably town in this case
 

Dr_Professor83

Professional Troll
Assuming town didn’t kill Cubey, it feels like there’s too much killing for Ratchet to be any kind of even slightly harmful indie to me.

Like take his kill out, and there’s what looks like a mafia kill, serial type kill, and a poison. We’d need to have 2 killer indies or mafia could double kill (with a poison from someone in the mix)

It’s a lot
 

Hans Tweetenberg

Exceptional
I still consider Ratchet somewhat self-resolving tbh, scum will wanna get rid of players with killing power one way or another

Also 3 kills at night and Ratchet immediately claiming his kill points towards the classic trifecta of scum + SK + vig kill
 

Dr_Professor83

Professional Troll
Not that double vig + duelest is much better but at least those kills can go either way. Lots of extra/anti town kills are even more potent than lots of town kills
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
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Yeah this is why lv 1 thinking might not apply here, obviously Flower has baked a lot of kills into this set up.

But duplicate roles are very much a nono here so that's kinda the issue
 
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