Game Elden Ring Mafia

[The X]

I'm uneasy with Black Legged Dragon's approval, btw. Something about his exchange with Poyser doesn't sit well with me though I can't really explain why. (this is the hmm emoji here lmao)

I'm not allowed to town read you?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

i forgot there was also doddsy lol

read on him?

 

[Dr. Watson]

@Poyser you trying to power wolf this game?

Lethal must have been flattered having so much discussion about them to start the game.

Is this fear I smell?

I won't go into it too deeply because that was what so much of the game started off with, but I think you trying give Lethal a soft town lean, but then write out a wall describing Lethal's activity and attitude based on alignment felt a bit forced. It felt like you wanted to show a good presence over something I considered to be kind of weak. Don't care about Lethal's alignment at all in this scenario, just that it seemed like your town lean of Lethal might have had ulterior motives.

Weird you'll mention Evans but nothing of Poyser and Lethal, considering that took up a couple of pages.

Don't think the game needed to be moved forward at that point considering the game was like, twenty posts deep. Lethal had only posted three kind of week entrance posts and you soft town leaned them because they should be more fearful of posting. I just don't really buy your read of Lethal, your justifications for your read, and your claims it was an attempt to move the game state forward.

How can someone tunnel after only making a couple of posts about a player within a twenty minute timeframe?

You and the Ripped One can have early town leans from me.

What do you have for scum reads?

Alco, Dalton, RDK are all players I can vibe with as town.

Yeah let's do it. No problem with this early push.

Vote Aurelia

Because those are posts that come off as you being super self aware. I think there is a hint of you being calculated in this game.

I can't suss two people at once? I have nothing else to add in the Fang situation. I thought he was overly defensive and went after low hanging fruit. I think pressuring him here is a lot more of an effective move than throwing a vote down on Poyser.

You interested in voting Poyser with me?

Yeah it's looking more likely that you probably won't be a team.

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

Got it

I think the "sorry I'm late" is NAI. It's already kind of tenuous but he is the *Admin* so using his obligation to contribute against him is weak. But he's also offered nothing so far, would you agree with that?

Mmmmh I like this one. If you were scum trying to fabricate a scum read on a townie, you probably wouldn't dismiss a case another townie's made just to replace it with your own, so I lean towards this being real thoughts.

 

[Arne Slot]

i forgot there was also doddsy lol

read on him?

nah he's barely said anything except commenting on forum stuff and saying the town read on lethal is too hasty

 

[Dr. Watson]

what did you say about the Town confirmed Queen???

she gets frazzled when under pressure as scum/indie in general is what i mean

so baiting a reaction toward her is more likely to give hints toward her alignment lol

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

It could also easily be scum distancing from someone they'd know would flip as town.

Therefore I am now more interested in the people who've started pushing this point now than Fang himself. Reeks of people talking in a scum chat about a strategy but not being subtle enough about implementing it.

Forgot who it was other than Ekko tho :slip:

lol im neither defending or distancing him. idk how to guage that anyway

im going to mention the facts i know about him and his meta - but i am not going to use it to justify him being town or not. i dont rly believe much in meta. his over defensiveness is generally NAI if we wanna talk meta. his push on yoshi has merits behind it tho and i want to see how far that develops and if he gets more scum reads later down the line from this position hes in

 

[Arne Slot]

Mmmmh I like this one. If you were scum trying to fabricate a scum read on a townie, you probably wouldn't dismiss a case another townie's made just to replace it with your own, so I lean towards this being real thoughts.

did someone use Aurelian's admin obligations against him though? I must have missed that

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

If RDK was scum this'd be the first time I've ever seen him drive what would have to be a townie against the wall like this right out of the gate so ima just say he's town

 

[RDK]

did someone use Aurelian's admin obligations against him though? I must have missed that

Apparently I did ( I didn't )

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

It's because, fundamentally, you don't really care if Mafia games end up being full of shit from players who have been enabled for too long. I do - I think it makes communities insufferable and the sooner it's snuffed out, the better. I am always open to reason on this stuff. I do not believe every policy I hold is infallible. I do believe they're right, because that's why I hold them.

A big reason as to why this is, is because I was held to these standards myself when I had only been playing for a little bit. So I got used to trying to play in a way that is "objectively correct". It's not perfect, but seldom is it a reason any given game was lost, and that's good enough for me.

I'm curious as to what you were hoping to get from this?

i tried but it wasn't very fruitful - there will always be players with 0 posts, players who troll, or dont read and all will be town so we cant go around and lynch all sadly as much as id like to lynch them for their play so they change it

i wasnt hoping to gain anything from this. i am agreeing with ultra about how u treat such plays.

eventually im gna have to make a decision: either let fang go or not. his next few posts when he come in are going to determine that. at the end of the day there is a limit to how lenient we can be, and if hes town he only has himself to blame

im worried that he is town and choses to fk up. now what? we just hopelessly take the mislynch?

 

[Arne Slot]

Apparently I did ( I didn't )

yeah idk what @Ultra was going on about there

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

did someone use Aurelian's admin obligations against him though? I must have missed that

Not necessarily the admin obligations, but Hazas early go at Aurelian was based on the fact he opened with "sorry I'm late" and went from there. For my point it hardly matters what points are being made, the thing is making your own point towards why someone might be scummy when somebody else is hard pushing their own point at the same time looks like genuine thoughts.

 

[Dr. Watson]

okay since uzu said how could tunneling even happen in a 20 min timeframe, i want
to giveeee you
guys

a

fun psych fact:

cognitive tunneling (aka tunnel visioning) is just another form of inattentional blindness

sometimes cognitive tunneling has very gradual stages because there are certain things someone's subconscious picks up as noteworthy or distrustful behavior
you can tunnel within microseconds without realizing it's occurring or even recognizing it. if there's certain characteristics someone has that you've been exposed to, chances are, you and your brain are more likely to tunnel or start to tunnel immediately

ex.
someone: "i hate pink. it's dumb"
your brain: "this was a non-sequitur. also weirdly aggressive.."
someone: "also kiwis are the worst fruit"
your brain: "major red flags here, who the fuck hates kiwis? bastards. only bastards do"
someone: "everyone agree with me. all my homies hate kiwis. stupid ass fruit"
you: "NAH OKAY you're not a good human being, get necked"

applying this to psychology in mafia, it's also how policy lynches happen. it's little things that may be perceived as aggressions that your brain and you are are conditioning yourself to respond in a specific way to protect itself (in this case, from scum, or what appears to be scum)

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

At risk of needless distraction, I'd like to provide the context that Yoshi gives a default benefit of the doubt to his friends in these games. This is something most of us have gotten far past, but he was like this when I subbed in to a game where Ral was scum and I caught him, but he also listened to reason as well.

Okay this is good to know

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Yes? Your central activity or point of view = focus.

but i only made one post about it lol

i dont even care if they listened or not lol. i dont want anyone being outed or cleared by angleshooting but i cant rly force them to hide their activity if they dont want to. it was merely a suggestion to improve game quality

 

[Hans Tweetenberg]

In 'these games'? They just told me that this was their second game only? If the latter is true I don't think we can be following any patterns.

This is also true tho

Idk man lmao

 

[Dr. Watson]

did someone use Aurelian's admin obligations against him though? I must have missed that

no one did

 

[Arne Slot]

riveting stuff tweet

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

rdk i remember these 3 things from u

- picking on fang's late comment
- picking on ratchet selective reading one of my posts
- picking on me for tagging players to hide online activity

this got to be the laziest solving attempts ive seen from u in awhile. what happened? you just scum?