on big man
will have a sort of tldr/conclusion at the end
day 1
this is bigman's thread entrance. a post that came after aurelion's claim. a defense on aurelion and a shade on yoshi. the problem with this is bigman has not :
1. pursued his push on yoshi beyond shade
2. has not updated his read on yoshi based on aurelion flip
from this post, big man's position is that aurelion is townie and yoshi is being opportunistic on his wagon. this position changes after the flip as i'll show later but the read of yoshi is still grandfathered through after the lynch without due analysis given to how aurelion's flip reflects upon it. big man also safety mentions aurelion can be scummy depending on experience - very fence sit-y post
Big man is holding dear to his read of yoshi regardless of what he thinks aurelion is. big man here agrees that yoshi is new player but fails to acknowledge that new scum players are 99% of the time just very quiet and scared. instead yoshi was being more open with his reasoning who bigman just outright ignored to scum read him.
there was a small attempt by the scum team to derail to yoshi in day 1 but it did not get enough heat. bigman was readying himself to join such attempt. BLD/tpein look bad off this as well, but atleast they were more open minded than bigman in their approach to yoshi, who took a more sneaky approach.
this post came AFTER the votes reached majority and was bigman's second post. he felt the need to drop this to give himself some credit for the lynch despite not really adding anything on it. matter of fact big man's first post was more leaning into town reading aurelion so this change is unexplained.
voting after majority is reached comes off as trying to appear to be joining the wagon when u really arent. big man so far has not stuck to his initial thought on aurelion (which came after his claim), but here u could see his willingness to join the aurelion wagon despite seeing that yoshi (his scum read) is voting for it.
You saved me the trouble of actually isoing the guy. Thanks.
i'll note that lethal has a similar post too iirc where he votes after the majority is reached which looks bad on him.
these were the only posts from him day 1
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day 2
bigman on lethal. no followup on this whatsoever when lethal was a wagon. in fact big man seem to have completely forgot his scum read of lethal as u can see in his reads below and there are no thoughts that can be traced in the thread showing the transition
bigman sees it important to spend a portion of his day 2 post count discussing the claimed indie rather than find scum or talk about lethal/yoshi who were his previous scum reads. big man has yet to talk about how the aurelion flip progresses his own reads. the entire question is blank busy work anyway because BLD already talked about it previously and big man does not really care to follow up on BLD's answers.
im going to note that i actually think BLD needs to claim today and he needs to be able to find scum because he has just a great position as i do. i think his play seemed townie on a surface level but he has been "wrong" too many times to ignore. this cp/BLD needs to be resolved eventually and i need BLD to move on and push someone properly.
agreeing to not liking lethal but again no followup on it with a vote or a direct question to lethal. very safe position to withhold. also the point he mentioned is NAI. lethal could be paraphrasing his role as town or scum.
this was all we have from bigman in day 2. zero talk about yoshi (his only sus at the time), showing no followup and progression to his reads after aurelion's flip. instead we have a shade on lethal for NAI reasons with no vote or followup. very safe.
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day 3
this was a post to ultra. another busy work post from big man. big man himself shared similar sentiments around aurelion so this line of thoughts doesnt come off as genuine to ask someone why they r doing something similar to what u r doing. and ultra replied to this that its the correct move to lynch aurelion if he doesnt claim because it just comes off as him rage quitting and he (ultra) would vote aurelion to give him what he wants. ultra actually ended up voting aurelion at the end too so this entire question is busy work
big man here is trying to find reasons to suspect ultra out of nowhere because he has not previously in day 1 and 2 gave us a hint of suspecting ultra. these posts only came after the thread was more in favor of lynching ultra. negative points to RDK for having a shit reason to join the wagon as well
a point that everyone has talked about already. no original content
posyer is a claimed indie at this point. BLD have already acknowledged this. BLD though poyser was powerwolfing and BLD himself said multiple times that he is willing to let poyser aside and focus elsewhere starting with lethal. big man's post here comes off as awkwardly preflipping lethal/poyser despite he himself having a sus of lethal. in a sense that big man earlier displayed that he does not like lethal but for some reason he does not like BLD going after lethal even though they share the same read.
i am going to circle back to this after this post but I think it's entirely possible i was jailed n1 and the sk failed a kill on me and the mafia failed their kill elsewhere
another busy work / lack of content. at this point its clear big man is hyper fixated on this topic and nothing else because it provides for easy content to just discuss about the claimed indie since his alignment is already publicly claimed and mafia has tmi to trust it as true
another parroted post that adds nothing to the game. big man just says lethal isnt cleared but at the same time isnt a scum buddy with ultra. then just fence sits and takes a very safe position in regards to both of them. doesnt really give me the impression that he wants to solve lethal or ultra
big man continues his scum read of yoshi here but hasnt yet talked about it with respect to the aurelion flip
i would also very much like to hear the reasoning for town reading alco/phenom
big man scum reads ultra/BLD despite being unable to hold a continuous interaction with them and give his thoughts on their replies to his one dimensional questions
this is to ultra. this is very rich considering big man ignored ultra's replies yet continued scum reading him for the sake of scum reading him. and ofcourse still no vote has been dropped
no idea what the purpose of this was. a post to BLD. also no followup upon after BLD's reply. big man is shading but unable to hold interactions or change his view point in his replies. these arguments r very static and non stimulating. i can hardly see genuine solving attempts in them
this was finally bigman's post about yoshi, who he brushed right away by saying "obviously isn't important right now" - why would a townie do this? why wud town!bigman thinks his point on scum!yoshi is *obviously* not important?
and the content of the post itself tells you that big man wants to continue his scum read of yoshi and completely changes his position on him from "yoshi can be seen as opportunistic in fangs wagon by voting it for bad reasons" to "yoshi was instructed to do so". and then he obviously proceeded to not follow up on it. matter of fact him calling it not important now implies that he is willing to pick up on this in the future to push yoshi with it, perhaps for a mislynch before winning the game.
talks to ultra about BLD. shows you how much of a brick wall big man is. he is very one dimensional in his reads. he completely ignores answers given to him yet continues his scum read and repeats the same topics. has been overall very static and does not give any motive that tells me he wants to solve BLD and ultra.
lastly big man just cuts the day short to hammer here. he does not wait for us to wake up and give our final thoughts. big man has been answering ultra like a complete robot with the most one dimensional non stimulating posts i've seen the whole game. there is no reason for a townie to just end it here when he has not been replying to ultra's topics whatsoever. big man just wanted this mislynch so badly and outed himself for it. big man has to yet go over how his scum reads work together in tandem in regards to yoshi and ultra, and he completely drops his read of lethal.
also bigman should have waited to hear dalton's claim atleast and see where ultra's case go. this man isnt really trying to solve the game. he just wanted this mislynch that badly and to stop town from having any chance of longer discussion. if he genuinely scum reads ultra he wud have atleast wanted to wait and see what ultra comes off with his case. it could maybe help him clear dalton as town if ultra flips scum or maybe condemn dalton as scum if ultra flips townie. but nope. he just hammered immedietly with the excuse that we are an at an impasse when we are clearly waiting on someone to post and the day had about 8+ hours left if im not mistaken.
also big man could have used this time to question yoshi more if he so scum reads him instead of calling it "obviously not important".
tldr;
big man's day one had a fence sitting post mixed in with soft defense of aurelion which then followed up with a second post that came AFTER votes are locked to try and pretend to vote aurelion and provide a rather generic reasoning in an attempt to pretend to be contributing towards this lynch. there are no thoughts that can be traced in thread to explain the transition from his first post to second one other than just wanting to pretend to be lynching aurelion.
big man has been very static, robotic and one dimensional this game particularly around ultra. he has been ignoring ultra's replies and just commenting the same thing multiple times. it feels like his shade/responses are all pre-written and he just has to click the post reply button. big man really wanted this ultra mislynch he could not even let the day continue longer and wait for dalton to post and wait to see how ultra's case unfold.
big man's position on yoshi has changed from aurelion being possibly townie and yoshi scum to yoshi being scum with aurelion that is coached what to do in scum chat. ofcourse big man isnt genuinely solving yoshi so he says "obviously not important". to him, whats important is achieving this mislynch on ultra rather than attempting to ask more questions to yoshi and try get a more educated read from him directly
i think a claim from bigman is very much required here
