Game Death Note Mafia

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Emil

Average Diabellstar Witch Enjoyer
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To put this succinctly

everyone had large poes
Your ability to get a lynch whilst having no contradictory read relationships on that wagon is basically 0 in a game like this
What you’re saying is correct on a somewhat basic theoretical level but it’s difficult to apply completely faithfully in practice
yeah i agree everyone had large PoE cuz we didnt get a scum flip

why am I the only one being scum read for this?

also what I was suggesting is before people hop into a wagon with their scum read, they need to atleast
1. establish why they town read that person before joining a wagon with them or
2. establish why they scum read the wagon more than that person

you, for instance, started day 3 wanting to lynch flowa the most
suddenly you joined a wagon WITH FLOWA against me
and your reasoning was "for lols"

do you see how I could not just not lynch u here? like do u see it from my PoV?
u haven't established why I am scummier than flowa or why is flowa townier. u just voted for fun, by your own words

that's the issue, at least for me.
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
Advisor
I mean I stalled it, we didn’t rush the lynch, we considered options and ultimately you hammered it under no pressure lol

I don’t think this point holds water

Nah.

We discussed Dodd the night before and nothing happened. You asked me to get it over with, and I told you as the claimed lynchpin you bear the strongest influence on the town. You said it was "bad bad bad" when I called out the Big Man lynch for what it was.

If I hadnt hammered, you know exactly what would have happened - I would have gotten blank states at best or MUH PARTNERS accusations at worst
 

Emil

Average Diabellstar Witch Enjoyer
V.I.P. Member
Nah.

We discussed Dodd the night before and nothing happened. You asked me to get it over with, and I told you as the claimed lynchpin you bear the strongest influence on the town. You said it was "bad bad bad" when I called out the Big Man lynch for what it was.

If I hadnt hammered, you know exactly what would have happened - I would have gotten blank states at best or MUH PARTNERS accusations at worst
ultra i discussed dodd alot in day 1, particularly his town read off flowa being TMI driven cuz no way he leans town on her from an iso at page 3

you even caught onto it with me but we never dunked on him

I shuda pushed it harder but foken majority

and then I was busy with work so left EoD 1 and start of day 2 and lost momentum on that sadly

we basically had the answer day 1 and left it
 

Ratchet

Resplendent
Advisor
Yeah it was painful. You can't just round up the lads of towncore and get a cfd, everything has to be okayed by people who don't know what they're doing or have already made up their mind
I think the blame being passed onto the lynch system is misplaced, honestly. I had a very similar discussion with Ekko in the dead chat. The problem with Plurality is it puts too much emphasis on the final hour or whatever of the day, whereas Majority encoruages discussion round the lynch from the off. It does require compromise, by design, but the town are supposed to work to a compromise anyway. Evans on early in the game was put to L-2, imagine if that was a flash wagon late in the day and he isn't around to claim against it.

Additionally, I think "cfds" are pretty chaotic and not exactly good town practice anyway, so them not being enabled really isn't a concern to me.
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
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yeah i agree everyone had large PoE cuz we didnt get a scum flip

why am I the only one being scum read for this?

also what I was suggesting is before people hop into a wagon with their scum read, they need to atleast
1. establish why they town read that person before joining a wagon with them or
2. establish why they scum read the wagon more than that person

you, for instance, started day 3 wanting to lynch flowa the most
suddenly you joined a wagon WITH FLOWA against me
and your reasoning was "for lols"

do you see how I could not just not lynch u here? like do u see it from my PoV?
u haven't established why I am scummier than flowa or why is flowa townier. u just voted for fun, by your own words

that's the issue, at least for me.

I think you’re underestimating the fact I had neither the time or inclination to engage in a pointless convo with you tho

I don’t care about your read on me, i want you dead lol

I said lols specifically to provoke you - making you uncomfortable might have made you slip and easier to put away - I can’t control it if you then get hammered but tbh I didn’t care either way given my role and your stated position
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
Advisor
ultra i discussed dodd alot in day 1, particularly his town read off flowa being TMI driven cuz no way he leans town on her from an iso at page 3

you even caught onto it with me but we never dunked on him

I shuda pushed it harder but foken majority

and then I was busy with work so left EoD 1 and start of day 2 and lost momentum on that sadly

we basically had the answer day 1 and left it

I know you did. It's actually what helped me realize how scummy he was

But the game state was also different. It's even more bizarre he got 0 interest in Day 4, once of those things you can't really explain
 

Grammaton

Consigliere
Moderator
Nah.

We discussed Dodd the night before and nothing happened. You asked me to get it over with, and I told you as the claimed lynchpin you bear the strongest influence on the town. You said it was "bad bad bad" when I called out the Big Man lynch for what it was.

If I hadnt hammered, you know exactly what would have happened - I would have gotten blank states at best or MUH PARTNERS accusations at worst

I absolutely did not ask you to get it over with

I said you can hammer and win no cap

you discussed doddsy while I wasn’t there - again I don’t expect you to adhere to my schedule lol but anything requiring actual effort I can only really do in a fairly small window at night, hence me not wanting to rush lynches
 

Emil

Average Diabellstar Witch Enjoyer
V.I.P. Member
I think you’re underestimating the fact I had neither the time or inclination to engage in a pointless convo with you tho

I don’t care about your read on me, i want you dead lol

I said lols specifically to provoke you - making you uncomfortable might have made you slip and easier to put away - I can’t control it if you then get hammered but tbh I didn’t care either way given my role and your stated position
you probably didnt have the time, you said you were at work that's ok, but while that may be true it can also be faked so it wasnt gonna stop me from suspecting u.
then you kept posturing like you for sure caught scum when you really haven't questioned me to arrive at that conclusion lol

I mean that isn't gna win the game if you don't care lol. my read on you and your read on me influences how we handle the PoE. we coulda easily worked together if we talked more instead of you dismissing everything as pointless before hearing it. my questions were very fair btw. you joining a wagon with someone you scum read is not something I'll let go without questioning

and ofcourse you are going to provoke a reaction from me regardless of my alignment. specially when I am town and I see someone voting me for bullshit reason with a scum read of theirs on the wagon you bet it will provoke a reaction lol. its not rly alignment indicative reaction so idk how it was taken as scummy
 

Flower

King of Nera
V.I.P. Member
Stop fighting, guys. The game is done. Next time just have no mercy towards a slip. This is all there‘s to say about this.
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
Advisor
I think the blame being passed onto the lynch system is misplaced, honestly. I had a very similar discussion with Ekko in the dead chat. The problem with Plurality is it puts too much emphasis on the final hour or whatever of the day, whereas Majority encoruages discussion round the lynch from the off. It does require compromise, by design, but the town are supposed to work to a compromise anyway. Evans on early in the game was put to L-2, imagine if that was a flash wagon late in the day and he isn't around to claim against it.

Additionally, I think "cfds" are pretty chaotic and not exactly good town practice anyway, so them not being enabled really isn't a concern to me.

Plurality does have its issues too. You're correct that it's really not the system, it's the players, but players who are disorganized and don't really care or know what's going on are more empowered by Maj. And the lynches trend towards low hanging fruit, without knowing shit about the game you could probably predict Ekko and Lethal get lynched just because they are pretty easy too lol

Democracy is a sham and mafia is one of the best arguments for it :maybe
 

Emil

Average Diabellstar Witch Enjoyer
V.I.P. Member
i was hoping id get atleast couple of minutes to discuss my claim because it was self resolving

and you guys @Tiara @Ultra have now excuse because u saw protown mello before lol

I wasn't gna shoot town. otherwise I woulda shot flowa n1. like I said I lose instantly if I shot wrong so I am taking my time. asking me why I haven't shot n1 when I was no where near sure is just ridiculous. in fact me shooting n1 wud be more anti town. yall really just didn't think it at all

even if I ended up shooting wrong id at least self resolve and leave the game, which leave u guys with a better PoE to solve

which is why again... just fuk majority man

ppl keep hammering mid discussion pissed me off the most this game and last game
 

Ratchet

Resplendent
Advisor
Stop fighting, guys. The game is done. Next time just have no mercy towards a slip. This is all there‘s to say about this.
It's not even really about the slip. Once it's clear that a player can't be a lynchpin, scum can move on from them for free here. The reason it's Death Note theme'd is it emulates the cat-and-mouse chase of the series. While there is still a plausible argumnt for that player to be scum, the town have incentive to lynch them.
 

Ultra

THE BEAR
Advisor
I absolutely did not ask you to get it over with

I said you can hammer and win no cap

you discussed doddsy while I wasn’t there - again I don’t expect you to adhere to my schedule lol but anything requiring actual effort I can only really do in a fairly small window at night, hence me not wanting to rush lynches

It's not all down to you, but the writing was very clearly on the wall. There were maybe 4 players willing to entertain an alternative.
 
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