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Poyser said:
my problem with this game so far is im having a hard time reading people town

1. Ultra
2. Melkor
6. REM
7. CP
15. Ekko

16. Imposter (this is weak as it was mostly for liking the way he changed his stance on Melkor and knowing its doc ive pretty much just put him as not really in my direct poe atm)

I probably will have tweet here tho too as we were pretty much on the same wavelength at EoD, in terms of both lethal and flower
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alco is likely town unless you have a reason to disagree. his play on the pein wagon was rather solid and it seemed more invested in picking the right choice than just hoping a mislynch went through(he also never went on lethal iirc).

i think evans is a good shout for town as well, which i asked you about as well. his points as to why lethal were town made sense and with the context lethal wasn't scum and evans didn't play last game he has no real reason to think of lethal as town for the reasons he gave(which was pretty much the fact he went after you).

as i pointed out in my walls, tweet is likely town due to the frustration he exhibited with you and ultra.
 
Magic said:
well this is fun since i didn't like your play either. although this push in itself is better than your day 1 play which i found utterly lacking in the aspect of actually trying to push the people you suspected.

when you suggest i made little effort to town clear people can you explain as i feel like i tried for the first 36 hours of the game while lamenting that the sheer inactivity was making it hard to find town clears. i want to point this out specifically because you yourself said it was hard to find town clears as a point as did cp. is there a reason this is specific at me outside of the fact i like to town clear people, which i still tried to do.

i have no idea why you think id give lethal the benefit of the doubt for what he said nor do i know where you're getting the idea that i believe lethal has zero self awareness for himself.

btw it wasn't an absence of a town read, it's an absence of a read in itself. tpein's play is utter shit to the point i can't tell if it was just shit or if he was scum. that is comparable to how i felt about psychic's slot last game. last game i chose not to shoot her to shoot you. that wasn't behaviour as it was in done in my private messages/head, not in the game thread.

outside of that can you answer the questions i had for you in my quotes.


i chose to push both.
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Yes, but you are better at town clearing people than both me and cp. I felt you spent most of the day pushing rather than clearing which I think is a fairly stark contrast to how you've been playing D1 as town. Certainly in the last game but tbh in most of the games I've played with you for a while. Me and CP struggling to find town clears isn't really a defence as my read is tailored to you and not us kek

You said it yourself about lethal last game. You said you can clear him easily as you have no respect for his scum game. Which is why in hindsight I think it stick out that you used something we cleared him for last game and used it to scum read him here rather than trying to find him as town. You also never really reconsidered your read at all. I even posted that his replies weren't looking like scum lethal, but you bypassed this and used that quote against him as though he tailored his play around me saying that, which goes above what you'd usually expect his scum play to be. Feels like you were trying to make him look bad rather than find him
 
Magic said:
can you clarify something, do you think if pein was my teammate and chose not to claim, all id go out of my way to save him?
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If you could justify it then yeah absolutely. You've done that before and there was enough support on lethal that I think you'd think you could pretty easily talk your way out of that as believing in your read and tpein having previous of doing that and that he could just be shit town (which you did). Its not like you defended him, you just said you'd prefer lethal. There's literally zero reason why you couldnt do that as scum lol
 
Poyser said:
Yes, but you are better at town clearing people than both me and cp. I felt you spent most of the day pushing rather than clearing which I think is a fairly stark contrast to how you've been playing D1 as town. Certainly in the last game but tbh in most of the games I've played with you for a while. Me and CP struggling to find town clears isn't really a defence as my read is tailored to you and not us kek
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This is kind of interesting because to me it looked like he spent most of the day handing out town reads before he dropped his case on Lethal. It's actually a bit tough to draw a read on him because he seems a bit formless, I don't feel like he's playing too differently from last game but I also wasn't paying as close attention as I was more focused playing around him than anything he was saying.
 
Poyser said:
Yes, but you are better at town clearing people than both me and cp. I felt you spent most of the day pushing rather than clearing which I think is a fairly stark contrast to how you've been playing D1 as town. Certainly in the last game but tbh in most of the games I've played with you for a while. Me and CP struggling to find town clears isn't really a defence as my read is tailored to you and not us kek

You said it yourself about lethal last game. You said you can clear him easily as you have no respect for his scum game. Which is why in hindsight I think it stick out that you used something we cleared him for last game and used it to scum read him here rather than trying to find him as town. You also never really reconsidered your read at all. I even posted that his replies weren't looking like scum lethal, but you bypassed this and used that quote against him as though he tailored his play around me saying that, which goes above what you'd usually expect his scum play to be. Feels like you were trying to make him look bad rather than find him
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i've played two games and went to get a day 1 lynch in both. i got my day 1 lynch in fairy tale with tat and tried last game with nat.

im not trying to defend myself by using you and cp. cp had basically said none, you had few, i had more than both of you. my question is what more did you expect relative to the gamestate?

the posts i read fully were from post i think 1 to 900 and then almost everything after that was skimmed or read while at work with poor context. this isn't an excuse as the lethal lynch is my bad, but you're accusing me with the idea i was fully caught up which i wasn't and im still not as i still have to read the last 10 pages. i also largely didn't get to read your or pein's posts from that point.
 
Ultra said:
My current scum reads actually have nothing to do with the wagons yesterday

I saw Hime drop a wallpost after EoD which I didn't get to read in its entirity, but honestly seemed high effort. I hate to hold this against her, but I don't think I've ever seen her do this before and it's not something I associate with her town game. I'd be interested in giving it a look over anyway though

Dalton comes off a lot worse to me after a reread. I think him rolespeccing miller is NAI, I won't assume what assumptions he comes loaded into the game with, but he never actually pursued that thought any further or gave a read to CP and kinda just forgot about it. I usually don't have a hard time finding him as town even though he's low profile because he'll usually toss a thought or two out that check out, there's kind of a lack of that there.

Still kind of suspicious of Imp too but more of a backseat scum read than these two
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This is where I'm at but I also want to lynch TPein still lol
 
Magic said:
alco is likely town unless you have a reason to disagree. his play on the pein wagon was rather solid and it seemed more invested in picking the right choice than just hoping a mislynch went through(he also never went on lethal iirc).

i think evans is a good shout for town as well, which i asked you about as well. his points as to why lethal were town made sense and with the context lethal wasn't scum and evans didn't play last game he has no real reason to think of lethal as town for the reasons he gave(which was pretty much the fact he went after you).

as i pointed out in my walls, tweet is likely town due to the frustration he exhibited with you and ultra.
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Eh Id have to go back and read alcos posts as i dont really remember much of what he was saying, I thought he was ok with a lethal lynch tho? Who did he end up on?

Not sure about evans. Obviously he looks better from lethal but I still think he came to that conclusion too easily which could come from a place of TMI. He has played games where he got town read after going after me early before, which im pretty sure i said in reply to you. I dont really like his play around ekko either

But yeah I do think Tweet is probably town as well
 
The only thing I recall kind of not liking about Magic is the little exchange you had earlier where you provided a meta read on me and he subverted it a bit, but I think he's town reading me anyways.

Also @Poyser read on Hime, please.
 
Ultra said:
This is kind of interesting because to me it looked like he spent most of the day handing out town reads before he dropped his case on Lethal. It's actually a bit tough to draw a read on him because he seems a bit formless, I don't feel like he's playing too differently from last game but I also wasn't paying as close attention as I was more focused playing around him than anything he was saying.
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He did hand out town reads, but obviously he would have to do this as people expect it from him as town. I dont think he put anywhere near as much effort into clearing people as usual though
 
poyser you can push me at your will/convince others and ill respond if you have more direct questions, but honestly i want to finish catching up and i dont exactly want to use all my time in a back and forth with you that just clogs up the thread further. id imagine a lot of what id be saying to defend myself would be repetitive to what ive just said so ya i'm going to keep looking elsewhere.
 
Magic said:
poyser you can push me at your will/convince others and ill respond if you have more direct questions, but honestly i want to finish catching up and i dont exactly want to use all my time in a back and forth with you that just clogs up the thread further. id imagine a lot of what id be saying to defend myself would be repetitive to what ive just said so ya i'm going to keep looking elsewhere.
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Who are your top candidates for today?
 
Magic said:
i've played two games and went to get a day 1 lynch in both. i got my day 1 lynch in fairy tale with tat and tried last game with nat.

im not trying to defend myself by using you and cp. cp had basically said none, you had few, i had more than both of you. my question is what more did you expect relative to the gamestate?

the posts i read fully were from post i think 1 to 900 and then almost everything after that was skimmed or read while at work with poor context. this isn't an excuse as the lethal lynch is my bad, but you're accusing me with the idea i was fully caught up which i wasn't and im still not as i still have to read the last 10 pages. i also largely didn't get to read your or pein's posts from that point.
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I don't think you put much effort into trying to lynch Nat last game. You had her as your preferred lynch but I dont recall you putting much into getting her across the line at all. You put way more effort into defending RAEM and trying to save them from the lynch instead. I dont really take the gamestate into account when it comes to you tbh, you dont usually need people to be active to try and read them and especially not give them a town read if you notice it

The last point might well be fair enough, but Im sure you see why it doesnt absolve you
 
altho i will take issue with the idea that i didn't work hard to town read people. i did that for the majority of my posts within the first half of the game. the second half of the game(50% of what i read so far) is quite literally shit so far, especially with tpein's postings and the needless back/forth between tpein/poyser and ultra/poyser.
 
Ultra said:
The only thing I recall kind of not liking about Magic is the little exchange you had earlier where you provided a meta read on me and he subverted it a bit, but I think he's town reading me anyways.

Also @Poyser read on Hime, please.
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I dont really have much of a read on hime tbh
 
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