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Aurelian

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No, its not. Your argument hinges on a hypothetical when it would be more sound for me or scum to shoot someone who would NEVER get lynched like Gram or Flower. Your still in POE, so is Frinckles, and Gad with me and even on the fringes so is Nibel. You also went along with mislynching RDK so no, I'm not buying the belief Gram was protected by Jinri. Even when potentially offered a lifeline by Gram to help lynch RDK, I didn't buy his claim or argument to surround the miscalculation that he wasn't at fault and looks more like proactive backpedaling to not be held accountable for leading the lynch on our one and only town tracker.

Add that with Nibel's lying about using Sky's ability from her corpse when town tracker (RDK) got lynched and couldn't follow or track him to see if he's lying or not. On top of that, RDK caught and forced Gad to admit he was lying about being VT while the latter played semantics to weasel out of it.

So it comes down to this:

Nibels + Magic + Gad
or
Nibels + Magic + You
or
Nibels + Magic + Gram

NIbels is 100% scum and if you help me lynch him you will see that. The only potentiality he isn't scum is if his result was tampered with and I fucking doubt it, he's just lying.

You must have a team worldbuilt by now.
Magic + Nibel + who + who?
 

Frinckles

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Cause I've caught Nibles in a very big lie about his claim and Night 3 action.
From the most basic gamestate we have:
Gad, who either derped or was caught scum via RDK.
You and Nibel, who could very well both be scum.

Of those three, the lynch will ultimately be on you or Gad -- likely Gad. So, I can't really fathom your appeals to that slot if you were teamed with him.

If it's as simple as you and Nibel doing a scum gambit, hey - cheers you probably win. Even if we lynched you today and you flipped scum, a scum!nibel would slide to a F3 if it got that far. Wouldn't it be amazing if Nibel (who suspected you of being SK almost all game) really was just your partner? Imagine.

Our hopes and dreams really are on the assumption that it's Gad here. So we ball.
 

Aurelian

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I mean what's the scenario at play here for scum Fang?

- I hard deep wolf to go against town Gad's mislynch and his flip alleviates doubt around my slot to bus my teammate Nibles?
- Or does Town Fang fail to stop town Gad's mislynch and his flip has me set up for death since scum can effectively use me as a scapegoat for the next day phase's lynch?

So its basically I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't positionally where I am at.

I absolutely don't think Bachi is scum especially in light of how Magic pocketed me early in the game and shaded Bachi off of and after Tweet's janitor killing post night 1.
I think Frinckles is most likely town.
The 180 and complete heel turn I've witnessed ISOing Nibel's posts regarding Frinckles slot also resolves this in my head he's scum playing opportunistically at every chance.
Xenos is being a dullard but I still have him and his progression with how the game has moved around as a null, possibility of how Nibel's if lynched and flipping scum would determine this.
Gram could still be scum and the RDK lynch looks awful with him trying to anchor and put the carrot on a stick to my face to tempt me to go along with his mislynch.
Flower has a lower chance of being scum solely because she's an absolute coward when slotted in a scum role and usually needs to be coached and coaxed by her team to make any real aggressive plays.
Gad would be town if Nibles flips scum, if Nibles flips town then Gad is likely scum and has parity with Frinckles and it redeems Flower and Gram in my eyes.
 

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From the most basic gamestate we have:
Gad, who either derped or was caught scum via RDK.
You and Nibel, who could very well both be scum.

Of those three, the lynch will ultimately be on you or Gad -- likely Gad. So, I can't really fathom your appeals to that slot if you were teamed with him.

If it's as simple as you and Nibel doing a scum gambit, hey - cheers you probably win. Even if we lynched you today and you flipped scum, a scum!nibel would slide to a F3 if it got that far. Wouldn't it be amazing if Nibel (who suspected you of being SK almost all game) really was just your partner? Imagine.

Our hopes and dreams really are on the assumption that it's Gad here. So we ball.
You could have a point of me and Gad being teamed as scum but there is literally no angle, thread, or perspective I am teamed with Nibles. I've been pushing him all of this day phase since my involvement and positionally as well as strategically engineering a teammates forced lynch if I am scum makes zero sense when they are in a decent position unless my scum role is more important then their own one.

You can tie me to Gad.
You have nothing to tie me with Nibles.

Like I said ISO Nibles posts regarding his stance with you following a very short exchange with Sky day 1 and how he has bullseyed you as scum hence forth despite claiming earlier many times he strongly town reads you.

The mistake is on your end to lynch Gad over me or Nibles.
 

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I mean what's the scenario at play here for scum Fang?

- I hard deep wolf to go against town Gad's mislynch and his flip alleviates doubt around my slot to bus my teammate Nibles?
- Or does Town Fang fail to stop town Gad's mislynch and his flip has me set up for death since scum can effectively use me as a scapegoat for the next day phase's lynch?

So its basically I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't positionally where I am at.

I absolutely don't think Bachi is scum especially in light of how Magic pocketed me early in the game and shaded Bachi off of and after Tweet's janitor killing post night 1.
I think Frinckles is most likely town.
The 180 and complete heel turn I've witnessed ISOing Nibel's posts regarding Frinckles slot also resolves this in my head he's scum playing opportunistically at every chance.
Xenos is being a dullard but I still have him and his progression with how the game has moved around as a null, possibility of how Nibel's if lynched and flipping scum would determine this.
Gram could still be scum and the RDK lynch looks awful with him trying to anchor and put the carrot on a stick to my face to tempt me to go along with his mislynch.
Flower has a lower chance of being scum solely because she's an absolute coward when slotted in a scum role and usually needs to be coached and coaxed by her team to make any real aggressive plays.
Gad would be town if Nibles flips scum, if Nibles flips town then Gad is likely scum and has parity with Frinckles and it redeems Flower and Gram in my eyes.

I'll say, the lack of your vote on RDK was bizarre and I do regret that I couldn't convince us to go for Gad first. RDK's role might have been the only one to get us out of any sort of strange bussing situations.
 

Aurelian

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I'll say, the lack of your vote on RDK was bizarre and I do regret that I couldn't convince us to go for Gad first. RDK's role might have been the only one to get us out of any sort of strange bussing situations.
How was it bizarre for me to town read RDK and not help in his mislynch?
 

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Xenos: Aurelian
Frinckles: Jinri > RDK > Unvote
RDK: Gad > Aurelian
Flower: Aurelian > unvote > RDK > Unvote > RDK
Nibel: Aurelian > Unvote > RDK
Aurelian: Aurelian
Gram: RDK
Jinri: RDK
Gad: RDK
Bachi: RDK

RDK - 6
Aurelian - 3
The VCA on this is funny.
 

Flower

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Fang what even took you so long to vote Nibel? If you know he‘s scum, really, what‘s the hold up?

Also I‘ll be out mostly all day, guys.
 

Bachi

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So you did post, so that was your 1x shot ability? You went with my suggestion and not Craig's corpse? So do you think Nibles can be scum or I are you going in the direction of Gad?
I looked at that Jack Hanma role and he had only 2x shot with 1 amp, so I thought that no vig is using his amp on day 1, so if he shoot day 2 it would be an amp kill, meaning a 100% kill here, unless he was blocked, I would not see the target in this case anyway
So i went with tweets corpse because if he had used 1 shot that night, it would cast some doubt on the people with abilities this day phase, like Jinri- rip and Gad- who is still here
That was the logic
Yeah I can see Nibles as scum here, they had that weird interaction with Magic day 1, other than that Nibles was wagoned by Magic at one point+Nible pushed Magic when he was lynched d2, so they can tell the truth also, for now you are my poe more than her,, and I would vote in Gads direction today yes.
 

Aurelian

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I looked at that Jack Hanma role and he had only 2x shot with 1 amp, so I thought that no vig is using his amp on day 1, so if he shoot day 2 it would be an amp kill, meaning a 100% kill here, unless he was blocked, I would not see the target in this case anyway
So i went with tweets corpse because if he had used 1 shot that night, it would cast some doubt on the people with abilities this day phase, like Jinri- rip and Gad- who is still here
That was the logic
Yeah I can see Nibles as scum here, they had that weird interaction with Magic day 1, other than that Nibles was wagoned by Magic at one point+Nible pushed Magic when he was lynched d2, so they can tell the truth also, for now you are my poe more than her,, and I would vote in Gads direction today yes.
I would say it's a mistake not to lynch Nible over Gad first.
 

Flower

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I would say it's a mistake not to lynch Nible over Gad first.
Now if you‘re Town for what reason does Nibel have to frame you if Gad is Town when he was the more viable wagon after the RDK flip?

Think, Fang. Think.

Like, I believe you and Gad are just scum anyway, but ya.
 

Bachi

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I would say it's a mistake not to lynch Nible over Gad first.
To be fair it is more logical to resolve between you and Nibel, because Nibel claims a result on you and they are not even voting you, I mean if you share that in thread be sure to push it, the buss driver is out, and the scums have probably no redirectors, and why would they redirect her to a guily scan anyway, so it comes down if people believes Nibles or You more here.
 
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