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Astaro

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Othinus and Kamijou Touma had been wrong about one thing.

They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.

But in truth, there had been one more layer. It was as uniform as a thin membrane, it had not even the slightest seam, and it could not be detected or destroyed by anyone, but one last phase had existed.
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^ Othinus destroying every Phase confirmed by the author themselves safe for one. And just a volume before explaining Phases make up the mythological and religious worlds.

I could bring Kamachi and Miki both on here and Pax would still argue his headcanon over them

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Churronzon

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Was this quote talked about yet?
Even if she was up against a being known as a god or a demon, or a human who had trained themselves up to the point that everyone would see them as such a thing, this version of Alice would likely crush them underfoot without them even realizing they had been killed.
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Gods and demons are obvious, but who is the trained one?

Kingsford? Sprengel?
 
Paxton

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Astaro said:
^ Othinus destroying every Phase confirmed by the author themselves safe for one. And just a volume before explaining Phases make up the mythological and religious worlds.

I could bring Kamachi and Miki both on here and Pax would still argue his headcanon over them

:hestonpls
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"Full extent of the world"

I'm not doing this shit with you again.

Prove it's referring to the entire Sephiroth and not the surface world.
Because numerous quotes contradict what you're claiming.
 
Paxton

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Othinus destroying the Pure World (which you're claiming) is contradicted by the cosmology still existing afterwords.

So cut this shit out.
 
fiamma

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Paxton said:
There's your answer: Othinus didn't destroy the religious phases full of beings who left human territory because the narration explicitly says that's what enables you to survive Gungnir destroying the "world".

Glad we agree.


Also, nice lie.

New Testament Volume 9, page 152.

It's right there, and I just posted the quote.
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I'm truly amazed by your claim that Othinus never destroyed phases.
It's clear that you and I are reading different series, so I won't respond any further.
I will now treat you as if you don't exist.
I wish you the best in diligently reading your Toaru fanfiction by yourself.


Good luck!
 
Paxton

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Another strawman.

I never said Othinus can't destroy phases.

I said she didn't destroy any of the phases with the beings explicitly stronger than her.

You are essentially arguing that a Dainsleif calamity destroying the "world" (which both the narration and Othinus herself corroborate) would destroy the phase where their actual full power self resides.
Which is stupid as shit if you think about that for even a second.
 
Astaro

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Paxton said:
"Full extent of the world"

I'm not doing this shit with you again.

Prove it's referring to the entire Sephiroth and not the surface world.
Because numerous quotes contradict what you're claiming.
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So it’s not full on amnesia with you, just selective memory loss.

I’m not doing this shit with you again either, fuckhead. I already showed you the Sephiroth is made up of Phases.

Narration says Othinus destroyed every Phase that exists with the only confirmed surviving Phase is the Hidden World.

You do the math
 
Churronzon

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All powerscaling aside, I find it ridiculous that Othinus and Alice can manipulate the Pure World/reference point. Kinda invalidates Aleister's goal somewhat, but it is what it is I guess.
If the narration says it, I can't really argue
The dark school building was so silent his ears ached. He had shattered the glass in the entrance door, but he doubted he could have returned to the visible schoolyard if he tried. He had a feeling he would be deflected or thrown back. Not that he had any interest in testing this theory.

The presence of Imagine Breaker suddenly felt a lot less significant.

It was a reference point for the world.

And so it could negate any and all illusions.

But that meant it had no effect on anything that could distort even that reference point.

For example, his right hand hadn’t been able to destroy the infinite worlds created by Othinus.

Alice could absorb the world to that extent.

She simply hadn’t done so before now.
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And your right hand contains the power to level out any foreign elements in
the world, so it has difficulty functioning when I change the world itself.
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Paxton

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Astaro said:
So it’s not full on amnesia with you, just selective memory loss.

I’m not doing this shit with you either, fuckhead. I already showed you the Sephiroth is made up of Phases.

Narration says Othinus destroyed every Phase that exists with the only confirmed surviving Phase is the Hidden World.

You do the math
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Nope.

We know what happens if you destroy the Pure World: the foundation of the cosmology has been removed and the entire thing comes tumbling down (tumbling down tumbling down).

As is plainly obvious by existence still being around, she didn't destroy the Pure World.

Simple as that.
 
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Speaking of the ceremony, what would allow life to recommence after the destruction of all creation now that Magic Gods lost their phase manipulation?

What's left to recreate a Pure World?
 
Astaro

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Paxton said:
Nope.

We know what happens if you destroy the Pure World: the foundation of the cosmology has been removed and the entire thing comes tumbling down (tumbling down tumbling down).

As is plainly obvious by existence still being around, she didn't destroy the Pure World.

Simple as that.
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Nope, destroying the Pure World leaves you the Black void.

Try again, limpdick
 
Paxton

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All powerscaling aside, I find it ridiculous that Othinus and Alice can manipulate the Pure World/reference point. Kinda invalidates Aleister's goal somewhat, but it is what it is I guess.
If the narration says it, I can't really argue
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Misinterpreting what that quote means will do that to you.

Othinus can't change what the Pure World considers natural or unnatural.
Alice can.
 
fiamma

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Churronzon said:
Was this quote talked about yet?

Gods and demons are obvious, but who is the trained one?

Kingsford? Sprengel?
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yes

たとえ万人からそう扱われるほどにまで 徹底して己を鍛え上げた人間であろうとも(original japen text)
Even if they are humans who have thoroughly trained themselves to the extent of being treated as such by tens of thousands of people,

Gods are bbc Magick-Flapper spell to wear gods. (At this point, Magic Gods at full power do not exist, so the Magic Gods who are consistently mentioned to wear gods are the correct interpretation.)
The demon is Coronzon.
Thoroughly trained humans like Aleister, Kingsford, and Anna.

You interpreted that correctly.
 
Paxton

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Churronzon said:
Speaking of the ceremony, what would allow life to recommence after the destruction of all creation now that Magic Gods lost their phase manipulation?

What's left to recreate a Pure World?
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muh Magic Gods can create another canvas
 
Astaro

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Paxton said:
The black void/Black World is literally a phase Othinus creates, wtf are you talking about?
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The walls of all the phases were crushed transformed into a swirl of deadly weapons resembling sharp shards of glass, and approached their pitiful target as if to swallow him whole.

Everything was ripped up.

The black labyrinth, which had used up all of its possibilities, showed itself.
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They had thought that world of darkness had been the full extent of the world. They had assumed that pitch black despair had been the product of destroying everything and leaving nothing at all behind.
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KEK
 
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Paxton

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Reposting the same quote won't address my point:

"Prove it's referring to the entire Sephiroth and not the surface world."

I'll do you a solid: the quote doesn't exist.
 
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