Yeah. Though obviously he still shouldn‘t flavour claim just in case.I honestly just think he should be open at this point. If hes actually town then its very likely mafia shot him last night as I've said. They might have guessed his character wrong, but they'll know it for sure now lol
Ratchet is playing his own game??Ye and the only 2 people I could realistically see that being are Ratchet or Evans unless I've missed something
Do Big Man and Ultra have team equity?vote ultra
wouldnt mind putting some real pressure here actually
I cant immediately think of a reason why not? I was saying big mans name a lot yesterday and it didnt get any bites at all other than some soft agreement from evans iircDo Big Man and Ultra have team equity?
@Tiara can you explain your town read on ultra please?
These are big mans only mentions of ultra lol. He has him blue but he didnt explain why he put him there at all. He did explain his other 2 town reads tho!1 - Ultra
2 - T-Pein™
3 - Grammaton
4 - Evans
5 - Black Pegged Dragon
6 - Psychic
7 - CraigPelton
9 - Doddsy
10 - Tiara
11 - Poyser
13 - Ekkologix
explained my scum reads already.
town reads aren't particularly strong but feels like town odo where he has a low tolerance for people talking what he thinks is nonsense and not cooperating if he doesn't think there's any benefit. I think he can act like that as scum but I don't think its the case here and I don't think he does it here where some aren't familiar with him. leaning town on Doddsy because I don't sense he's being opportunistic as he is when he's scum (for instance he didn't have to mention the reasons for town reading Odo) and seems to be thinking things through properly.
So you're not into Poser or Gran?I’m starting to think Poyser might actually be town. Idk. I think the scummiest person now is either Ultra who is clearly hunting PR and diverted the Poyser lynch unto Ekko, or CP who jumped off the Poyser wagon to quickly bw Ekko. Also Big Man who only comes in to hammer. T-Pein sus him and T-Pein is my biggest townread right now. Since we need majority lynch, I think we should go for Big Man this phase.
I think scum is gonna rally for a different lynch, allowing Big Man to just hammer a lynch just to save himself. Anyone following Ultra right now is sus. Personally I like an Ultra lynch. Did not like his reaction at all to the Ekko flip.
Big Man you mean?Yeah, this guy can go lol. His ISO is horrendous. Read it again and I don‘t feel he‘s even playing the game.
This was after both me and ekko voted big manYeah Big Man doesn't look so hot
You just had such a strong reaction that it seemed like you had an opinion on him.
The dude has 14 posts and it's day 3.
What would you say to compromising on anyone but T Pein? Hypothetically.
I hate the counter wagon more than I hate not lynching lethal if I had to be honest here. I could definitely swap.
Never did anything with these.I have 4 mentions. yeah im nicked in nicked.
I analyze entrances as well. Those are important to me.what are you trying to get out of doing these isos? the thread is still only a few hours old and you've been present for all of it so it would be pretty difficult for these to do anything.
Okay.I’m here. will vote soon.
Okay.Vote Lethal
This is the only Townie post I ever saw from him and even that could be NAI.Unvote
just wanted to see something. why would a scum lethal not claim L or N right now?
Mentions Ultra.the change in read from scum to null back to scum on ultra for the same initial reason reads like wanting to have a scum read.
also do you believe he laughed when you said you read him scummy? for someone who apparently reads him well I'd have thought he would have a reaction to you misreading him.
Plays for a no lynch.not confident he's scum here. how bad would a no lynch be?
Riight.wasn't aware of that mechanic. happy with leaving it then.
Okay.probably scum who thinks not killing him gets him lynched but doesn't want to push it himself tbhtbh
you've probably already said but what is your read on him?
Here he mentions Ultra.@Tiara can you explain your town read on ultra please?
I think lethal jumped on the slip shit yesterday of t pein for self preservation and OMGUS. now t pein doesn't seem to want to lynch him as strongly lethal's read on him seems more genuine.
you yourself said yesterday lethal changes his reads regularly for no reason.
Here he throws sus at Ultra.my issue is you've brought up many points that are a reason to suspect him but still read him town. you called his case bad and tried to boil it down to you faking being drunk. if that's the case then how does it seem to come from someone who's town? you also mentioned how him not wanting to lynch t pein made you suspicious as well and you seemed convinced that t pein slipped and is scum.
him brinigng up a point that you didn't think of is a fair point but if he's a good scum player then he could think of that as scum and mention it to look town.
How, though?it feels more genuine in comparison simply because wanting him dead so badly last day phase was probably OMGUS. I'll have a look at his posts though.
Why not hammer a guy you didn‘t even Town read? No lynch is never good. Not buying this.I didn't even read lethal town lol, I guess that makes it 0 reads I gave! I guess me not hammering might have given the impression that I read him town but I didn't read him either way and thought a no lynch would be better than a mislynch at the time but I think that's wrong now.
you scum reading lethal because of the change in read pinged me because of the comments you made when I brought up him changing his read on ultra. it's a bit awkward now because I was going to argue your points further but I didn't end up getting a chance and now he's flipped. you say the situations aren't the same because he tried to explain the change this time and it didn't make sense but it literally doesn't matter if he tried to explain it or not.
just going to come back to this after I'm caught up because the explanation is confusing when I try to explain it and it's easier to just provide context with a multiquote lol.
can you elaborate in your own words please pal.
What is this post?even if parity is not the aim he has to play to his meta which is trying to force through getting his scum reads lynched. thing im questioning is why do it on a player you previously read town and apparently have a very good record of reading.
bro what? literally just read the rest of the interaction in the next few posts instead of making this insane leap.
where did this feeling come from though? out of thin air? also, you made a claim before lethal flipped that you think scum refused to hammer. why have you not made any conclusions off that in terms of players alignments? have you even gone back to look at the wagon after you had that feeling to see who was trying to push it through and who was trying to stop it? I feel like if you have that feeling you should use it try and make reads off how people played around the wagon but there doesn't seem to be an attempt to do that. just a blanket statement about scum not wanting the lynch to go through which gives us nothing.
Just excuses tbh.I mean I asked if a no lynch would hurt us because im not familiar with this type of game and ultra (who I believe is familiar) answered saying it would have the same outcome. why did you leave that part out lol?
lethal initially scum reads ultra for the early pages interaction with odo but then when an explanation is made to him he changes to null and admits he read the interaction incorrectly so no reason to scum read off this anymore.
later in the game he's back to reading him scum for the same reason he earlier said he misread the situation for ??? reasons.
my guess is he just read him scum throughout and he just said he moved him back to null. no idea why. maybe was pushed and felt like he wasn't supposed to be reading scum off that and didn't know why and didn't want to feel stupid so just went with it.
Poyser response when I brought this up initially, and it convinced me not to vote with him because I realised it is true that he does this as town.
now I don't understand how the same can't be applied for his flip on the t pein read. poyser said he can't understand how lethal just let the slip thing go. lethal was pissed at t pein for pushing him and pushed him back and then saw people say t pein slip. you don't think he can just jump on that as town to keep pushing his guy without understanding why he slipped and then stop using it when everyone else dropped it?
you were very confident he was town on day 1, I don't understand how you went from that to confident he is scum off him flipping a read given you know he is capable to changing his reads as town. you can't say it's different because he gave a reason this time that doesn't make sense because there's always a reason that isn't going to make sense whether he gives it or not.
uhh what? be honest you didn't read the interaction you supposedely agree with. I didn't even interact with lethal lmao.
yes I think it's fairly obvious he didn't believe he was going to get lynched and there was no apetite in the thread to lynch him at all so the 'I expect to get lynched here' was obviously a lie. another thing is he said lethal has outed himself as scum but he still said a couple of times that he thinks im scum if lethal flips town. why even consider that if you think he has outed himself?
you followed poyser on me but have him as a stronger scum read than me? lol
didn't lean either way obviously
still not sure I believe this. you asked poyser what made him change his mind on lethal and then after he answered you agreed with him that I had TMI on lethal. but you'd have had to already known why posyer changed his mind because my apparent TMI came from arguing against his reasons so how could you possibly agree with him and not know his reasons at the same time? on top of that when I asked you to explain you gave very vague answers that be applied to any situation, I was hoping for something specific. and only now you're going through and quoting my posts on lethal at the end of day 1.
I voted him to get him closer to beig lynched and make him believe he was getting lynched to see if he'd claim lynchpin to try and save himself. he did not.
what are you even saying bruv
what specifically do you think it is I said that was TMI
I didn't say that. read properly.
why would that make me vote him lol what are you guys on
1 - Ultra
2 - T-Pein™
3 - Grammaton
4 - Evans
5 - Black Pegged Dragon
6 - Psychic
7 - CraigPelton
9 - Doddsy
10 - Tiara
11 - Poyser
13 - Ekkologix
explained my scum reads already.
town reads aren't particularly strong but feels like town odo where he has a low tolerance for people talking what he thinks is nonsense and not cooperating if he doesn't think there's any benefit. I think he can act like that as scum but I don't think its the case here and I don't think he does it here where some aren't familiar with him. leaning town on Doddsy because I don't sense he's being opportunistic as he is when he's scum (for instance he didn't have to mention the reasons for town reading Odo) and seems to be thinking things through properly.
hello
who we lynching :garr
obviously if you’re scum you claim because you want to appear like you’re expecting to be lynched. who even said they wanted to lynch you before that? if you’re town why not wait to see if people want to lynch you before claiming rather than outing yourself for no reason? as town I’d expect you to think it through that if you’re not lynched you’ve just narrowed down the lynchpins for no reason.
k I need to read back
Yeah, I don‘t follow this guy. Also why did he want to lynch me at EoD?down to lynch tiara? @CraigPelton
no I quite literally did not say he was town lol. I said it's more genuine in comparison because the scum read seemed like OMGUS/spite since he was quite obviously getting pissed at him.What are you talking about? You specifically said you think he’s town for the way he jumped on tpeins slip out of “OMGUS” and “self pres” and that his read of tpein on D2 seemed much more genuine
did you forget?
ok I've just gone back and seen the post where he admitted he just reconsidered which is different so I can see your point of view here now. I do think the fact he was pissed at T Pein on day 1 matters but pointless arguing with hindsight now as he's already flipped town.Dude, with the ultra read flip lethal literally admitted he lied and pre wrote his reads list before he changed his read and then didn’t wanna look stupid. I’ve seen him do that exact thing as town before
with tpein he straight up said stuff that seemed fake, he said he liked tpeins posts better cos they were less trolly and more solvy but all tpein had done is reiterate points he’d already made on D1 so there was no difference. He also had spent the entire night clowning Tpeins posts, including the ones from D2 lmao. When pushed, he did his classic scum thing of saying he just wants to try and play nice with him because maybe he’s been too harsh
when pressed about the ultra thing, he admitted he was full of shit. When pressed about tpein, he doubled down and attributed reasons that I didn’t believe and have seen him use lots of times as scum
I don’t really know how you can equate them both to being similar in any way lol, unless you just want to completely disregard nuance and say “well 180 is 180”
I guess. another thing I was wondering is why put yourself forward to be lynched if he had outed himself. I can understand you thought it didn't matter but it's obviously not necessary as he's 100% getting lynched from your pov.Because people were asking me to lol
no I quite literally did not say he was town lol. I said it's more genuine in comparison because the scum read seemed like OMGUS/spite since he was quite obviously getting pissed at him.
and there's no reason for me to lie about this at this point because I can justify his change in slip thing you thought was TMI, and I did it in another post. if I was scum and read him town I would just go with that rather than lying about not reading him town which opens me up to being caught and the fact the only person who agreed with you on it in the first place was someone who hadn't read the posts ffs.
ok I've just gone back and seen the post where he admitted he just reconsidered which is different so I can see your point of view here now. I do think the fact he was pissed at T Pein on day 1 matters but pointless arguing with hindsight now as he's already flipped town.
I guess. another thing I was wondering is why put yourself forward to be lynched if he had outed himself. I can understand you thought it didn't matter but it's obviously not necessary as he's 100% getting lynched from your pov.
it's why I don't understand just claiming at the start of day. like surely you still want to win the game. claiming without even letting people build a wagon on you just helps scum. you would know it's bad for town if you don't end up getting lynched.
Idk what you mean by put lethal on l1 early but if you mean why did I hammer then I already explained it right after I was told it was the hammer voteIf you are gonna push Ultra, do me a solid and don't hammer until CP has come on and answered my question on why he put Lethal on L1 early plz
Vote CP
For that sweet sweet implied PRESSURE
Big Man you mean?
FWIW I would prefer Big Man push over Ultra
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