This is actually a good point lol. Not understanding the Hider stuff should be less likely since we literally spoke about it. But I get the feeling Retro could fuck it up anyway (no hate xo)There doesn't need to be, we had a discussion in the thread around exactly what a Hider did and what it means. This is why we gave Ultra a name to target. I mean, unless you're just not reading, I don't know how you just missed all of this.
HATE HATE HATE.Imma have to go with my boy CP here..
But rather flip dragon
This was a weird statement to make since Retro said they seraphed Ultra - The Mafia BPV would be his own in the hypothetical lolIn a vacuum a seraph claim is definitely in fake claim territory since it can be used to cover say a mafia's BPV, and it's quite a dangerous role of mafia's strong kill resource has been used up. Possible pelosi has just snatched up a claim knowing I was safe that night explicitly.
Don't like this post. Not to be a **** but BPD doesn't sound like someone who would so willingly admit to making a bad move/being wrong in this way. More like someone who would double down on their reasoning.Am i scummy or just wrong or making a bad move? I admit throwing RDK's name at CFD wasn't the best, but I was rereading his interaction with Fang, with YOUR POV in the back of my mind, and I thought, MAYBE RDK could be scum, so I tossed his name out to see if it would go anywhere. I view CFD as an opportunity to do something maybe a bit different than how a full phase vote would go.
its a seraph, surely you of all people have played with seraphs before lol.can u protect every night or its a 1 shot? there is a chance u lost ur protect forever if ultra was commuted lol
generally speaking, tracking u now shud say u arent visiting anyone. if tracking u resulted in u visiting ultra then he was lying about the commute
fwiw i dont think ultra was lying about the commute part, because he was asking us first post today to verify it atleast. if he is lying then he is lying about other aspects of the role
oh tpein flipped town lol woops.7. Ratchet(CORRECT)
9. TPein(WRONG)
14. Ultra(WRONG)
21. Hans Tweetenberg(CORRECT)
From my list
Excellent point.on Yoshi: this obviously isn't important right now but still wanted to give my thoughts while im here.
he sussed RDK when he pushed Aurelian. when asked why he just responded that he's new which shows awareness that he knew what he said doesn't make sense. when pressed further he just made up that RDK was trying to deflect from himself. I can't understand a town motivation to make that up, newbie or not. the idea that he was just trying to protect Aurelian doesn't really track given that he turned on him shortly after and was more than happy to push him.
I wonder if the original defence of Aurelian was him defending a scumbuddy without enquiring with his teammates first and then he flip flopped when he was told not to defend Aurelian as pressure was starting to form on him. the reason he gave was that Aurelian was being defensive but he was already being defensive in the first place when he was defending him so there was no logical reasoning for the flip flop.
you understand that emotions are a crucial process of reasoning, right?
there's a reason gut feelings aren't something to be shrugged off immediately but to be considered for later. they aren't just "feelings that are shown in chickflicks"
it's your brain recognizing certain patterns seconds before you register it. it's little discrepancies that a player may subconciously see.
emotion and logic go hand in hand
emotions can (is it always the case? nah) help you reason in games like these. sometimes those reasonings are unwise, sometimes they're generalizations, or sometimes they're made from previous (neg or pos) experiences
my distrust in ultra gives me the ability to tread with caution and see whether my paranoid justifications have any merit or logic behind them, which can help with solidifying reads and filtering out the garbage (or adding more in)
for all i know, until a flip occurs, ultra could just be manipulated and trying to persuade and placate me. he could be using pathos to gain my trust.
i dont see that yet or right now from him, but all these things wouldn't be able to happen if emotions weren't used as a tool to manipulate in order to win the game
you can examine emotions and use them to your benefit and build a strategy depending on what side you're on, it isn't just some reasoning game
it's a multi-faceted, critical strategy game
People who play with Retro, is this shit something they do as town? Because this reeks of busywork lolalso it's funny, that post was clearly overly dramatic, yet two of you went completely separate ways of going about it.
Craig appealed to my pathos - he's lending a hand by trying to appeal to my emotions, despite saying I shouldn't use them in Mafia.
Now, is it a genuine willingness to believe me, or is it to avoid any further suspicion?
Evans (I think?) went the completely opposite route. He jumped at the opportunity to sow seeds of doubt about my authenticity, by claiming and inferring that my facetious exaggeration and pleas for help were forced.
Is it a genuine reaction or is there more to it?
The fact two separate players - Craig and Evans - quoted the exact post I'm referring to interests me.
One of them is to paint it in a specific light indirectly, the other shows some level of accountability they'd take for it?
And which posts fit these descriptions?
why did you separate me/bigman/alco from sk/tpein/rdk? Is there one group you suss more than the other?that meh could be scum. you saw how i stood for a claimed indie yesterday. i think if u can fight this urself i will be inclined to support u if i see ur PoV making sense but if i see u sitting on the defensive then u aren't really helping me help u here. i am aware there r alot of slots happily enjoying the ride that need to be pressured more. id happily join a dalton bigman or alco pressure. id be more than happy to go after tweet soulkiller tpein or RDK
Yea that was my first thought. Then somewhere in the back of my head I speculated that maybe Ultra (who I believed to be scum at the time) sent her out in the thread to just cause sheer mayhem as a distraction. I did it once with OMB I believe.Ugh, this post seems so much like a clueless townie lmao.
I think I might be wrong on Retro being scummy after all
I'd post the case about Dalton but I'm not even going to attempt formatting a post with multiple quotes from an ISO when I'm not on PC.
Instead I'll conduct a survey - who's reading him as town?
me but its very weak and i agree he needs pressure
So got to Ultra's "case"... did he just confuse me with Doddsy?"Hey Doddy can you explain your reasoning for your reads?"
"Oh hey look at the time I gotta go but I'll totally explain them later after I have time to fabricate them!"
Funny enough his secondary scum reads aren't so bad but cannot conjure an terse explanation when demanded. This is usually a pretty reliable scum tell
yeah ratchet made a good point about hider being mentioned in thread but i think if anything you wouldnt fake the lack of knowledge in that case.Yea that was my first thought. Then somewhere in the back of my head I speculated that maybe Ultra (who I believed to be scum at the time) sent her out in the thread to just cause sheer mayhem as a distraction. I did it once with OMB I believe.
But now that Ultra's flipped town, I think Retro is just what you say: clueless townie.
Who do you think drove this "divert" narrative?It’s crazy we haven’t touched near majority based on this last vote count when i see people saying he's scum or are fine with lynching him as I quickly look back. Scum putting in overtime to divert and “use day” it appears
Good post to bring up in hindsight. Ultra was the easiest scum read to have in thread since most people seemed to have it, and a lack of other reads could point towards being cautious as scumBut please, proceed to invalidate your own town case pending my inevitable town flip. Because naming me in confidence as your only scum read, when this is very obviously recently acquired, and refusing to engage with me because of some moral grandstanding on a false pretense is weak as fuck.
can someone remind me when ultra cleared lethal? dont recall it.I never said he wasnt? You’re filling in words there that you perceive necessary i think. If ultra flips scum, i personally don’t think lethal is his teammate but you never know if it’s a bus play, maybe lethal has a strong role that would be useful to have around longer? If Ultra happens to flip town and is what he claims, we have a more definitive answer on Lethal as he’s either town or II hence the 95%.
wait, so if ultra flipped scum phenom wouldnt look at lethal, and if he flipped town he was 95% town? Do you just want to say you're almost certain Lethal is town lol?Hey I’m a go big or go home kind of bus player as scum sometimes, I wouldn’t look at him at all if/when you flip scum, zero interest. Im just saying that we don’t have the whole picture and can’t put him in 100% town category.
I have, yes.@Alco do you have info on BPD?
Lethal with an early breadcrumbing of me and then pointing out which of his reads we’re right/wrong is curious lol
Ekko’s refusal to lynch Ultra despite him saying “I can’t help you bro” and the fact it made sense to lynch Ultra seems like TMI.
Vote Ekko
Good post to bring up in hindsight. Ultra was the easiest scum read to have in thread since most people seemed to have it, and a lack of other reads could point towards being cautious as scum
[i guess that observation makes me look suss for only really sussing Retro for a decent chunk of the game but OH WELL]
can someone remind me when ultra cleared lethal? dont recall it.
wait, so if ultra flipped scum phenom wouldnt look at lethal, and if he flipped town he was 95% town? Do you just want to say you're almost certain Lethal is town lol?
I don't follow this train of thought at all
Day 3 Final Vote Count
Ultra 11 - CP, Rugrat, RDK, Alco, Phenom, Tpein, Evans, Lethal, Doddsy, Arp, Big Man
Evans 1 - BLD
Dalton 1 - Ultra
Soulkiller 1 - Tweet
'Godwyn ... Is that you, dear?'
Fia, the Deathbed Companion
1x Hider
"Great champion, would you allow me to hold you, but briefly?" - Fia
Congratulations, you are Fia, the Deathbed Companion, The Lands Between Aligned! Before receiving the guidance of grace, you would perform an act considered sacred in your homeland which may be considered distasteful elsewhere – you would lie with a number of young champions, and then having absorbed a portion of their vigour, you would lie with the remains of deceased nobility, in order to give them life anew.
Upon receiving grace, you travelled to the Lands Between and upon learning of the death of Prince Godwyn and the persecution of Those Who Live in Death, you wished to act as their protector as well as restoring death to the natural order of the world, having been previously removed by Queen Marika.
In this game, you have the following roles:
- 1x Hider (You may target a player at night, becoming untargetable yourself. If your target investigates as anything other than The Lands Between, you will die. Also, if your target dies during the night phase, you will die also)
You win when all threats to The Lands Between are eliminated.
It is now Night 3. You have a maximum of 16 hours.
i think lethal is town tbh
actually probably going to add him to my strongest town reads and a bit ashamed i didnt see it sooner..it only became much apparent to me from our small talk
idk what this says about evans tho. he spent a good portion of his time on lethal.
still leaning town on him too
its actually not looking very cash money for you ultra
i think evans even tho he spent a lot of time on lethal, he could easily compromise and join other wagons and explore other avenus
honesty lethal evans ratchet cp town
lets stick with this
i can come around tweet being town as well. it requires alot of good faith on my part
this just leaves me with a scum ultra
i think u r playing an excellent game tbh
Alrighty, these points on me just... aren't very good.Dalton ISO:
Dalton's D1 play when looking at his posts can be broken down pretty cleanly into two phases. The first phase being his "policy vote" on T-Pein, and his accusation of Retro:
While he does interact with Poyser here and there, he mostly tunnels Retro for the crime of...joining a wagon that he asked votes be placed on.
Now, while I won't preclude townies calling out bandwagoners on a wagon they started, this feels ingenuine for. T-Peins wagon had not accumulated any other votes, and Dalton wants people to hop on, but explicitly not for a reason?
He also vaguely alludes at taking issue with player's reactions to Fang. This is without
A) Establishing a reason to suspect Fang on his own
B) Not even establishing who those players in question are.
The fixation on one player slot, Retro, is based on an entirely fabricated premise, and one that seems like he's just finding an unconfident townie to tug around.
Now onto his reaction to Fang's claim:
I think I'll mostly let these quotes speaks for himself, there's an obvious motive between all of them, and not one that wavers that much.
For all the shit I've been given over Fang, ironically, Dalton seems to borrow my own reasoning for not-thinking-he's-mafia-but-still-worth-lynching at multiple points (something I had only noticed on reread), while using that justification to strictly not lynch him.
When the discussion of shifting off him comes up:
Dalton can't help but undermine his own credibility by suggesting in a cutesy fashion a policy lynch. Strangely, I don't think T-Pein has taken all that much issue with him this game for it.
To me, this alone warrants suspicion. There's also his Day 2, but I'd say what's incriminating here is more of an absence of typical expected townplay than anything he says explicitly:
Hedges very much on Lethal throughout the day, refuses commitment, cites how he could still be an "info" lynch. Anyone who's seen this type of thing knows how loudly it speaks for itself.
When questioned by X feels compelled to give retroactive reasoning for his stance on Fang and instead of admitting being wrong he comes up with a gauntlet of excuses about how he didn't actually misread him - he has just mostly skimmed! And he would have totally lynched him but Retro!
Retro Retro Retro. Over fixation on a single slot, lack of threadwide solving, he comes across as playing a completely different game from most players in the thread, and that's because he is.
[Vote lynch Dalton]
Get a claim out of this guy, today.
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