To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - Touma's Boogaloo Edition

Paxton

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I feel like this person is ignoring some context, but that wouldn't be new for vsbattles anyway.

Isn't this complete bullshit?
 

Astaro

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I feel like this person is ignoring some context, but that wouldn't be new for vsbattles anyway.

Isn't this complete bullshit?
People will forever misinterpret this scene.

The only reason Accelerator had to put so much of his brainpower into rewriting Last Order’s brain and removing the virus coding in it was because of the delicacy involved. The slightest error could potentially kill her since it involved messing with her bio-electricity.

He doesn’t need that kind of precision when he’s just doing it to kill and all Espers manipulate things at the atomic level or smaller by default for their powers.

While normal Esper powers work on the quantum level to create changes viewable to the macroworld, Holistic Espers affect the macroworld to make changes barely viewable at all.

That was Meltdowner.

The technical classification was Particle Waveform High-Speed Cannon.

Unlike the #3 Railgun, she was a Level 5 who manipulated electrons without using waves or particles.




“This pair of black wings, Kakine had seen it before, and knew what it was.

The elementary particles that didn’t exist in this world, Dark Matter.”
 

Astaro

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As for application in combat, Accelerator just touching a concrete wall had him turn it into mush.


He knew where the windowless building was.

He knew where the shelter of the city’s board chairman was.
“Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!”

Accelerator stuck his hand into a nearby concrete wall. He manipulated the vectors so his arm sank in as easily as if the wall was made of tofu.
 

Top59

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Accelerator when he is severely cut by Aiwass, being almost dead, first he manages to keep his blood circulating and then he had to close the wound so he had to use his powers to do it since once he left for Russia, it was not for a Hospital.
 

Astaro

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Accelerator when he is severely cut by Aiwass, being almost dead, first he manages to keep his blood circulating and then he had to close the wound so he had to use his powers to do it since once he left for Russia, it was not for a Hospital.
Does it again too while in Russia, being able to save Misaka Worst after whatever device was implanted in her brain goes off, causing fatal brain damage that was supposed to kill her.

 

Top59

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How do you guys take it when Mugino throws a Meltdowner at Accelerator when fighting Kakine?

Accelerator didn't use his passive calculations because it would have been reflected back to Mugino, but Mugino indicated that he was going to use it but it also seems like Accelerator was doing all the calculations as the Meltdowner advanced.

From the illustration of the novel it seems that Mugino was close to Accelerator.
 

Astaro

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Order is sequence. He’s clearly taking action as the beam is approaching with no indicator of him ever doing anything prior

Plus you got Misaka dodging four of those from behind and Accelerator blitzing Gabriel and Kazakiri who are > Kanzaki who can react to those photon beams from Index we talked about earlier
 

Paxton

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I noticed that you mentioned Accelerator's calculation speed regarding his redirections "limit" when it comes to speed, but like...

Isn't Esper teleportation literally instant? Like explicitly 0 time lag in 3-D space?
 

Paxton

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Now that I think about it, does anyone's calculation ability scale to Tree Diagram?

Being able to predict down to the atom the weather a month in advance (and an entire month's worth in one go at that) across the globe (iirc) sounds like it could some serious numbers if that were the case.

Though this is all assuming it even correlates to reaction speed, which it probably doesn't.
 

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I noticed that you mentioned Accelerator's calculation speed regarding his redirections "limit" when it comes to speed, but like...

Isn't Esper teleportation literally instant? Like explicitly 0 time lag in 3-D space?
Since a strange phenomenon in space is supposed to occur, I think it would be more because he explicitly has something in his field to stop it than because of a speed issue.

Since Accelerator does have a limit of calculations that it can perform or it would lose its field.

I tried to measure the calculation speed when Accelerator was hacking into Last Order's mind, but I'm not really sure if I did it correct or not.
https://www.fanverse.org/threads/toaru-feats-calculation.1231745/post-64444901

According to when Accelerator was hacking Last Order, it is said that he could calculate the movement of all air particles in AC, it's significantly less than Tree Diagram but might be better than Last Order.

The thing is that something will probably come out too high for them to take it seriously here, I'll still see what I can get to try to calculate that.
 

Paxton

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I mean hey, I'm always up for MFTL Accelerator.

And it technically wouldn't be much of an outlier, since he's kept up with Nerfed Magic God tier opponents who have reacted to the light from other stars being turned into an attack that was shot at them.

Or something like that.
 

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If at some point we see Alice fight seriously, it could help a lot because she just threw her toys into a planet 11 light years away in a simple tantrum and I doubt if she fights seriously she'll throw slower attacks.


 

Paxton

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Stupid question, but no one scales to Aleister's Big Bang Bomb in terms of "reacting" to it, right?

If only...
 

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Stupid question, but no one scales to Aleister's Big Bang Bomb in terms of "reacting" to it, right?

If only...
It is possible the problem is that since Aleister never attacked him with that, we have no way of sustaining it in a debate.
 

Paxton

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It is possible the problem is that since Aleister never attacked him with that, we have no way of sustaining it in a debate.
I mean, would the Nerfed Magic Gods not scale to it?

Though I guess you could argue Nephthys was holding back against Accelerator even if she and her ilk were at that level of speed.
 

Irradiance

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I noticed that you mentioned Accelerator's calculation speed regarding his redirections "limit" when it comes to speed, but like...

Isn't Esper teleportation literally instant? Like explicitly 0 time lag in 3-D space?
Honestly, given how teleportation is supposed to work it is kinda questionable whether it is truly instant...
Accels reflection is not instant in any case and in fact almost certainly slower than Tree Diagram, because
it was overcome by a lesser supercomputer.
 

Paxton

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Well yeah, Esper teleportation still moves through a higher spatial dimension, but it's described as having 0 time-lag in 3-d space so like...
 

Astaro

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Could just be Teleport is one of the things Accel can reflect passively.

There is no time lag behind it and it is impossible to react or dodge without acting before the teleportation