To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - Touma's Boogaloo Edition

[Astaro]

Which to his credit, he is pretty good with. Just look at the Circumstances Leading to Waltraute’s Marriage and the big crossover novel where all his other works get Isekai’d to

 

[Astaro]

If they're in the actual straight up afterlife I don't think it even would be a phase

Heaven (or Hell) as well as any other religious afterlife are all Phases

 

[Paxton]

We have no proof characters actually go to the religious phases when they die though.

 

[Astaro]

We have no proof characters actually go to the religious phases when they die though.

Literally called Heaven dude. It’s even stated where Crowley’s daughter would have gone had Aiwass not taken her soul to another Phase

Not going to have another stupid argument with you over this so think what you want

 

[Paxton]

Literally called Heaven dude. It’s even stated where Crowley’s daughter would have gone had Aiwass not taken her soul to another Phase

Not going it to have another stupid argument with you over this so think what you want

Scan?

 

[Paxton]

The Christian Phases = / = actual Heaven.

 

[Astaro]

Yeah, it’s not Heaven that’s called a Phase and the only Heaven ever confirmed in this series, but clearly the other Heaven just next door

 

[Paxton]

Ressurecting people would be super fucking easy if all it took was cutting into a religious phase and pulling someone back from it

 

[Astaro]

And all you get is an exposed soul that would either eventually fade away being in the physical world with no body I.e. Lilith or become a ghost or lingering curse

 

[Astaro]

 

[Top59]

A confrontation between Accelerator and Trismegistus

It seems that Trismegistus casually destroys the walls that can resist the kinetic energy of the Earth's rotation.

 

[Paxton]

It seems that Trismegistus casually destroys the walls that can resist the kinetic energy of the Earth's rotation.

Is that supposed to be impressive

 

[Top59]

Is that supposed to be impressive

It is always good to see one's own feat and it is not just power scaling, it is better if it is seen in an image xd

 

[One and Only]

Ressurecting people would be super fucking easy if all it took was cutting into a religious phase and pulling someone back from it

It's not actually all that hard in Toaru given we have multiple resurrections in setting.

The Christian Phases = / = actual Heaven.

Ollerus had said Imagine Breaker was the selfish dreams of all magicians.

If their twisting of the world produced a disadvantageous result, that reference point or restoration point could return it to normal or erase what was done.

And wasn't this exactly such a case?

It seemed the filters Othinus spoke of were existences or concepts identical to heaven or hell. He was unsure if he could destroy something so massive. In fact, he could not even imagine what kind of phenomenon would be produced if he touched heaven or hell.

NT 9

 

[Paxton]

It's not actually all that hard in To Aru given we have multiple resurrections in setting.





NT 9

And all of them have caveats to them.

True, proper ressurection of the soul does not exist.

 

[Paxton]

Heaven proper wouldn't be any specific religious phase, but would likely be beyond the Sephiroth in its entirety.

 

[One and Only]

And all of them have caveats to them.

True, proper ressurection of the soul does not exist.

Sounds like you are splitting hairs here.

Izzard had those students resurrected. Othinus could resurrect people as Valkyries. There's an entire field of magic called Necromancy in Toaru which can be summarized as 'calling up the dead'.

Whatever 'True proper resurrection' is supposed to mean, all those examples I've provided proves that wherever the dead go to in Toaru it isn't particularly hard to contact them.

Heaven proper wouldn't be any specific religious phase, but would likely be beyond the Sephiroth in its entirety.

How do you reconcile that with this part of the scan?

It seemed the filters Othinus spoke of were existences or concepts identical to heaven or hell.

 

[Paxton]

Sounds like you are splitting hairs here.

Izzard had those students resurrected. Othinus could resurrect people as Valkyries. There's an entire field of magic called Necromancy in Toaru which can be summarized as 'calling up the dead'.

Whatever 'True proper resurrection' is supposed to mean, all those examples I've provided proves that wherever the dead go to in Toaru it isn't particularly hard to contact them.



How do you reconcile that with this part of the scan?

Touma's a schizo lol

 

[One and Only]

Touma's a schizo lol

Fair point.

This discussion about souls and stuff brings to mind another topic though.

Paxton, you at least believe Othinus destroyed the earth, right? Most of the humans in setting died. Just asking to confirm.

 

[Paxton]

Fair point.

This discussion about souls and stuff brings to mind another topic though.

Paxton, you at least believe Othinus destroyed the earth, right? Most of the humans in setting died. Just asking to confirm.

I have no problem with that, yeah.

I've said numerous times that she destroyed the Earth (likely killing everyone there but a few select individuals) and the universe/phase/phases in the surface world.

The point is that phase manipulation just creates copies of these people.
Technically the same end result as "proper" ressurection, but different mechanics.