To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - Touma's Boogaloo Edition

Astaro

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Zombie was likely the first victim of her spell being modified to cripple them completely and he almost certainly had Aiwass and the AAA at his disposal when he offed her off-panel.

In his fight with Niang-Niang later on, Niang wasn’t fighting seriously and it was stated Crowley couldn’t defeat her on their own without the aid of the above mentioned
 

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My boy Hamazura finally getting some more love. Ridiculous how long it took the game to even make him playable.


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Kuruwa finally making her debut

As well as Silvercross Alpha, one of the baddies from the first arc of New Testament


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I think this marks the first time Imaginary Fest handles a character never illustrated in the novels nor shown in the anime or manga yet, only described in the novels words.

Bit of a waste that he’s just a palette swap of Hamazura’s suit since the man had an entire armory of different Powered Suits he made use of in the novel.

Hope to see more original designs for more of these unseen character.
 

Top59

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If I have time today I'll finish calculating Gabriel's feats.

Since I still have a few days off, do you want me to calculate any other feats from ToAru's light novel?

I don't feel like measuring pixels so I would leave that for later and rarely does anyone calculate things from novels.
 

Top59

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I guess the Liquid Proof Railgun is about the only thing that comes to mind
Well, that attack that I remember is said to be stronger than Accelerator's Kinetic blast (400 Petatons of TNT/ Continent+), it destroys the windowless building that didn't get a scratch from the Kinetic Blast and has constant acceleration, so the further it goes the more faster and more powerful.

I don't know if it's calculable, I'm saying at least Continental+ level doesn't go down but I'm not sure if it can be calculated.:hm
 

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So I was ruminating on this post from SB. And while I found it to be 99% bullcrap, there was a specific assertion there that interested me.

Specifically this;
The "base" world is a world of science, pure, without magic and only the phases bring magic from what I understand, so if Alice uses magic, she uses the phases.

At first I thought that this is untrue then I remembered this passage;

NT vol 18 chap 4 part 5
“And the peak of that theory was Aiwass. That name doesn’t come from anywhere. It doesn’t belong to any religious category. …And this world is formed from the multiple magic side phases that have been placed on top of the physical laws.” She put her hands on her hips and looked to the mountain devilishness. “Aiwass is the angel of the bottommost layer…that is, of the world of pure physical laws. That is why he is Aleister’s greatest treasure. If he establishes a means of controlling Aiwass and uses that tremendous power to destroy all of the filters other than Aiwass, only a magicless world will remain.”

“? ???”

The hoodie bikini girl was part of the magic side, but not even she seemed to understand.

The one who came to a stop was Index.

“Aiwass? But if that appears here while living up to the theoretical values…”

“Yes, this would have been constructed in order to oppose Magic Gods such as myself. That human doesn’t stand a chance of winning in a straight fight.”

Someone gulped.

She says if all the phases were destroyed then only a magicless world will remain...

But Othinus destroyed all the religious phases and she was wielding magic just fine afterward? 🤔

Am I missing something here?
 

Astaro

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Because the Magic Gods are behind those Phases, destroying them won’t do anything to them as shown with Othinus.

Crowley is also banking on Aiwass being able to battle and destroy all the Magic Gods as one means of eliminating them
 

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Well originally I thought of calculating the attacks with Gabriel's wings but they gave Megatons to low Gigatons and I had to make many assumptions about the size of the mountains because I have no way to prove it, Russia is a country with mountains of all sizes.

Also the feats of flapping the wings but generally it was anywhere from Mach 30 to 500 and I really don't think it's relevant to Kanzaki's feat in the first novel.

I'm done with Gabriel, I'll see if I calculate things about the Magic Gods.

 

Astaro

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Boxer and perhaps some wrestling fits Touma.

On the subject, Misaka doing some Muay Thai shit with that elbow and knee work


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Definitely from what she learned in her lessons with Junko
 

Top59

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When Crowley with a spell threw the windowless building with Coronzon inside I remember that it is mentioned that she left the solar system and then Coronzon turned around and returned to Earth (but to WR's, we can still count the distance as if it were the regular Earth).

I also remember that it is said that it was going near-speed of light but the whole travel did not last less than one terrestrial night?

I don't know if I'm miscounting time because if so the ship must have traveled a little faster than light, it's not the first time in fiction that a character claims to be light speed or almost light speed and ends up being much faster, without go far Dyspo in DBS but I need a time frame to check it.

Does anyone remember?

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Retreading the entire part where the Windowless building was first launched with Coronzon inside, it seemed to take time just to leave the atmosphere with quite a lot of action taking place.

Id say it flew off at the average speed of your typical rocket really, at least initially
 

Paxton

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Zombie was likely the first victim of her spell being modified to cripple them completely and he almost certainly had Aiwass and the AAA at his disposal when he offed her off-panel.

In his fight with Niang-Niang later on, Niang wasn’t fighting seriously and it was stated Crowley couldn’t defeat her on their own without the aid of the above mentioned
“No,” denied the High Priest. “That is still impossible. The very foundation of your
assertion is wrong. You claim to have prepared something powerful enough to defeat
Magic Gods like us and you claim to have used this opportunity to inject it inside of us,
but that would require swapping out Zombie’s spell. Whether you had a spell or not, you
would need to defeat Zombie, a Magic God, to replace her spell
! That’s no different from
locking the key inside the vault. Your initial argument doesn’t hold up!!”

“True.”

[...]

A human silhouette was nailed to the cross by countless tungsten steel spikes and it was
tightly bound by barbed wire.

“Zom...bie?” muttered the High Priest when he saw the girl whose entire body was covered
in stitches.

So yeah, I guess he killed her with Aiwass/the AAA and then took advantage of her spell.
 

Paxton

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Does anyone have the quote where Accelerator was taking the momentum from Kazakiri and Gabriel's blows to amplify his own?
 

Astaro

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Accelerator was like a blast wave from an explosion, blowing away the snow from the ground, he charged towards the two angels. In the moment before their weapons were about to clash, Accelerator considered which entity he should get rid of first. However he came to the conclusion that since both of them were winged monsters, there was no point in aiding either side, and he leapt between the two, using his Reflection ability to attack the angels by redirecting their own blows at themselves.

BOOM!! The sound of explosions rang throughout the air. Against the doll-like angel of ice, Reflection was largely ineffective. Even though he used Reflection, the wings of ice were like soft candy, as they were bent out of shape, they were sent flying towards the forests, sending up ice and dirt as they went along.

The angle of reflection was too small. If Accelerator continued to forcibly reflect the attacks, his body would be injured too. However, Accelerator’s expression did not change, for the wings of the glasses-wearing angel were fully deflected by his Reflection. The angel had an almost human-like expression of surprise, and in this instant Accelerator took away the vectors from the angel’s attack. Gathering the vectors, Accelerator launched a merciless strike straight at the chest of the glasses-wearing angel.

The sound vanished.

The seemingly weightless flying angel was knocked back 300 meters. Like a crashing airplane, the monster rolled spectacularly across the ground, knocking away everything in her path.
 

Cryso Agori

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@Top59

I was wondering if you could calc these two feats :hm

From NT 9

“What happened!? You should not be able to keep up with me with your specs!!”

“No, I can’t. And these repeated battles haven’t increased my physical strength. Nor have I unlocked a hidden power in Imagine Breaker or anything like that. I’m still me. I haven’t become anything else.”

“Then…!!”

The twinkling of the stars in the sky was an ominous ill omen.

Each and every one of them transformed into a sharp spear of light and poured down like rain.

However…

“Then how can you survive!?”


“Have you forgotten, Othinus? Or was it such a lame metaphor that you ignored it? It’s fun to try all sorts of things against a normally unbeatable opponent to analyze their attack pattern. It may leave no data behind, but it feels like you’re accomplishing something!!”


Here Touma perceives and avoids Othinus's falling star spears. I've seen people say that he did this simply by not standing in the attack zone cause he knows the pattern but he'd still need to be moving faster than them to move from the attack zone, or else he'd been speared the moment Othinus did that.

From what I've seen on the internet, the average distance of stars we can perceive is around 1000 light years away.

And here

It was simply known as a crossbow.

No one knew its official name, much less how it was produced. That phantom weapon had left only a description of its frightening destructive power in the texts. That symbol of the head god was too obscure to be called a legend and had mostly been covered by the mists of time.

It was said that crossbow could simultaneously hold ten arrows in a fan shape.

It was said firing that crossbow could exterminate any army.

The entire world could be heard creaking.

Kamijou looked up slightly.

He saw the disturbing symbol bursting from Othinus’s back and providing the color of light to the entire black world it covered. He heard the creaking sound of it gathering tremendous power.

In the end, the world was her crossbow.

As soon as Kamijou Touma realized that, ten pieces of destruction rained down from the heavenly dome above.

What exactly could this be compared to?

Perhaps a super-long railgun that targeted someone on the planet’s surface after eternal acceleration using straight guiderails stretching from one end of the universe to the other.

Perhaps a singularity weapon that created destruction unexplainable with Newtonian physics by directly messing with the smallest particles dealing with mass and motion such as the bosons and the Higgs particle.

In all likelihood, expressing it with words was meaningless.

Even if one gathered everything that could be expressed with words, it was unlikely one could shoot down that crossbow.

It merely hit.

Here Othinus's arrow's are said to be able to cross the entire universe.

And we see this in action when Touma is speared by the 10th arrow.

In the instant of impact, Kamijou Touma’s body was smashed to pieces from the chest down. As his heart continued to writhe in midair, the tip of the arrow caught it and blasted it to the farthest reaches of that world.

His heart is still beating when the arrow blasts it to the end of the universe.

From here: https://www.quora.com/Can-a-heart-continue-to-beat-after-it-is-removed-from-a-body

The heart can beat from around 2-15 minutes even after removed from the body.

And Touma beforehand was able to dodge, react, evade, and even jump over these arrows despite their speed. He also didn't use precog until the 8th arrow, and since he never reached this point he couldn't use his knowledge of Othinus's attack patterns.

The entire fight:

“…!!!???”

Kamijou Touma leaped to the side with all his strength.

…The first shot fell vertically from the heavens.

It held the destructive power needed to easily wipe out a planet or two, but it was beyond the point of creating anything like a crater. This was no different from a rifle bullet fired with the initial velocity of a sniper rifle piercing glass without breaking it. The arrow had been fired with such great speed that it pierced the pitch black ground without waiting for the impact to propagate.

Even so, Kamijou ran.

His distance to Othinus was close yet far. It felt like an infinite wall.

…The second shot seemed to skim the ground as it was fired behind him and diagonally to the left.

Kamijou crouched down and the arrow passed over his head and swept across the world. Its trajectory was angled downward slightly and it created a giant valley in that black-dyed world.

Othinus did not move from her spot.

She and Kamijou had to be the same. They were both pouring all their strength into defeating their opponent.

…The third and fourth shots burst up through the ground.

They stabbed up a few meters away on either side of Kamijou. It was a trap. If he rashly moved even a step to evade, he would be smashed to pieces.

The more unnecessary actions he took, the farther he would be from victory.

He sharpened his senses like a needle and pictured himself stretching forward and piercing Othinus with that needle.

…The fifth shot came from directly in front of him.

His movements to the left and right were already sealed off and now Othinus had thrown a straight pitch. For the first time, Kamijou swung his right hand. But not in a straight impact meant to destroy. He scooped his hand up from below, traced his hand along the surface of the arrow, and diverted its trajectory upwards.

He ran straight forward.

His fear and self-interest threatened to shake that simple action.

…The sixth and seventh shots scraped across Othinus’s shoulders.

The two arrows were fired from behind her and they collided in midair before reaching him. With a tremendous explosive noise, the two arrows’ trajectories changed complexly. The boy evaded one by ducking his upper body down and then jumped over the other with a great leap.

Devoting himself to evasion was meaningless.

His path threatened to waver, but he used the power of his will to desperately keep himself on course.

…The eighth shot overcame the restrictions of the third dimension.

Kamijou felt a static electricity-like spark on his spine and immediately swung his head to the side as hard as he could. An instant later, space suddenly split open and an arrow assaulted the world.

He focused on his trajectory.

The several meter path to Othinus appeared clearly in his head.

…The ninth shot ignored the concept of numbers.

The arrows that fell from above colored the night sky like fireworks and glittered like stars covering the heavens. Every single one of them was fatal, but Kamijou did not freeze up. No matter how torrentially they rained down, there was always a safe space left to step in.

He was going to reach her.

He glared at Othinus’s face and clenched his right fist tighter than before.

…And the tenth shot…

(I can reach her.)

Kamijou gritted his teeth.

He sharply moved right up to her.

(I’ll reach her no matter what!! It doesn’t matter where the final arrow comes from! I can punch her after evading it or punch her before she can fire the arrow. Either way, I’ll end this here!!)

“Othinus!!”

In the instant he shouted out, he was certain of his victory.

He stopped thinking about the tenth shot altogether. That was why he had reached the idea of ending this before she could fire it.

But his mistake was understandable.

The final shot approached from directly behind Magic God Othinus.

And she did not move a single step.

In other words, the arrow unhesitatingly pierced through Othinus.

The final arrow broke through the girl’s entire body and assaulted Kamijou from the blind spot directly in front of him.

“…Ah.”

Time stopped.

He was too slow to react.

By the time he heard a dull sound, the final arrow had already been absorbed into his chest and accurately targeted his heart.

This was nothing as kind as piercing or breaking him.

In the instant of impact, Kamijou Touma’s body was smashed to pieces from the chest down. As his heart continued to writhe in midair, the tip of the arrow caught it and blasted it to the farthest reaches of that world.


So I was wondering if this is enough info to figure out how fast Touma was moving to dodge the star spears and the arrows, or at least the speed of these attacks.

I know its a big outlier even with all of Touma's other crazy feats because despite not 'upping his stats" he's moving at mftl+ speeds. But I'm wondering if we can get some numbers.
 

Top59

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I was wondering if you could calc these two feats :hm

From NT 9
Believe it or not, I just partially calculated the first one.

https://www.fanverse.org/threads/toaru-feats-calculation.1231745/post-65361042

About Touma dodging them is interesting because if it was a single projectile the aim dodge can be argued but it was probably thousands of arrows so he must have at least had comparable reactions, if that scene ever appears in a manga I think I could calculate Touma's reactions with precision.
Next week I calculate the other, that I had forgotten that quote.
 

Paxton

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Hmm.
Was the similar feat performed by the Aztec Magic God in the WR timeline ever calc'd or was it too vague? :hm
 
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