Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

[SoulKiller]

You’re misunderstanding me - your point is that you don’t want to tell me how to solve, but you’re happy to tell me that my method is somehow bad or lacking, or dare I say scummy?

Yes, obviously scummy otherwise I would not place my vote on you now would I? I don't wanna sound like a broken record, I addressed my problems regarding your slot and why I placed my vote on you.

We’re not exactly in long back and forth territory, and it’s all game reiated so what’s the problem? It’s a conversation, an essential component of a text based forum game and an opportunity for you to either check your assumptions or pressure me considering you’re ‘happy with your vote on me’, which suggests at least some level of suspicion?

No, not really but I am just drained, and I truly don't feel like going back and forth with anyone at the moment, it's 4am my time and I am just out of it right now. I addressed my thoughts I had so far reading and was pretty clear on my thoughts. Sorry if I feel like I am being dismissive. That's not my intentions.

For the avoidance of doubt, I don’t want you to tell me how to play - im already half decent at the game thanks. I want you to tell me why you object to what I’m doing when you have no desire to actually tell me what would be better for me to do

I know you are decent at the game which is why I find it odd you are stuck up about me wanting to tell you what to do, like I want to see you react and progress to this naturally, when I dropped my vote I was hoping to gauge how you would react, but saw nothing when I got back on and elaborated on my thoughts, and I see no point in telling you what to do since what's the point of even trying to read you if that's the case? I want to see where eventually these interactions of yours will lead you, cause I feel you are putting on busy work with no progression, feels like you are doing it for the sake of doing it if it makes sense? I pointed out multiple points on issues I had with you this game so far so not sure why you are saying I am refusing to tell you why I don't particulary like what I seen from you so far.

I certainly wouldn’t wagon him today

Agreed.

 

[SoulKiller]

Also I expect an answer to my question re: the timing of your Aurelian read, you quoted my post about it and then talked about something completely different.

can you quote that part to me?

 

[Kurumi]

I´m never interpreting too much into opening / entrance posts so I don´t see anything sus about Juliet so far.

Don´t think that hime and SK are in a scum team together, openly agreeing so much to each other would make it easy for anyone to see a connection here, especially after they voted the same player and it was a mislynch. This however doesn´t mean that there can´t be one of them a member of mafia. To me their reasons for sussing Juliet feels constructed and one of them might take the opportunity to go along with it.

Also don´t think that Ultra and Evans would be bussing each other so hard from the start.

Personally I don´t get town vibes from Dofla, I still wonder what´s his reason for asking - and specifically asking me - if I was "Team Ultra" or "Team Evans".

As not sure what to think about both of them I could imagine hime and Dofla might be trying to pull a Bonnie & Clyde and probably rolled scum together? I know that´s not really based on anything than feelings and eventually far-fetched assumptions but it would be quite funny to me tbh^^

Have to read the posts of Cubey again but so far my feeling says he could just trying to lowkey blend in.

On the risk of players saying that I´m trying to kiss Gramma´s butt I still have to say he´s not giving me a scummy feeling, his post feel like gamesolving attempts so far.

Not sure if we should let Aurelian off the hook, in my only round on OLF so far he was in a scum team with Psychic and me (got later subbed by Ekko) and my impression is that he´s breaking quite easily when there´s pressure on him.

Can´t say much about the rest of the players so far, some of them I´ve never played with so I don´t know what their "usual" playstyle is like, so I need to read a bit more from them to be able to analyze their posts and make up my mind.

 

[Grammaton]

This is the paragraph in question

Why was my read of Aurelian out of place, I thought you weren’t telling me how to solve? Did he do anything between when I made that post and when you town read him that you particularly liked and if so, what was it? Otherwise, what you’re saying is going to look like premeditated nonsense isn’t it?

The point I’m making is that you thought my read on him was out of place, so presumably something happened between you making that observation, and then you later also town reading Aurelian - if that’s not the case, why is my read any less valid than yours given we’re responding to the same body of evidence?

What’s particularly scummy about the way I’m playing in your eyes? Am I supposed to have solid conclusions already, about a quarter into day 1?

Answer when you’re rested and prepared to have a proper conversation, but I do expect it before this phase is over, which I think is reasonable

 

[Evans]

we need to have a talk, mayhap an intervention after this game

It’s not a role hint like you and Ultra think

 

[Evans]

@Grammaton what are your thoughts on Ultra?

 

[Grammaton]

@Grammaton what are your thoughts on Ultra?

Declining in my eyes, I don’t think he handled his conversation with you overnight very well, seemed more bothered about winning the internet than actually progressing the game

 

[Grammaton]

It’s not a role hint like you and Ultra think

Oh

Cause you know, it very much looks like one lol

 

[Grammaton]

Anyway I’m out getting drunk for the day so I’ll try drop in and post something coherent at some point

 

[Evans]

Oh

Cause you know, it very much looks like one lol

No lol

It’s meant as, I hope I get lynched and then I flip town. Then Ultra will look shit and my multiquote case becomes damning and he gets lynched the next day

 

[Ultra]

Declining in my eyes, I don’t think he handled his conversation with you overnight very well, seemed more bothered about winning the internet than actually progressing the game

Beyond the admission that he's probably not scum, what exactly do you expect me to say to most of that drivel?

 

[Grammaton]

No lol

It’s meant as, I hope I get lynched and then I flip town. Then Ultra will look shit and my multiquote case becomes damning and he gets lynched the next day

I see

You do realise that almost never happens tho right? You’d be better off trying to lynch him if you think that’s the play

Meh, it’s all probably academic.

what’s your take on some of the other players I’ve been interacting with?

 

[Ultra]

There's really not much of a way to handle it otherwise. I've addressed his points, and where he's wrong, he's clearly too much in tunnel mode to have any productive conversation, and the commentary around his slot and townreading him clearly doesn't come from the dimension of the accuracy of his pushes, it's all gold sticker shit from him actually having the gal to case me - what exactly do you expect or want? Genuinely.

 

[Grammaton]

Beyond the admission that he's probably not scum, what exactly do you expect me to say to most of that drivel?

I think ‘drivel’ is a bit of a stretch, it’s not like he was posting incomprehensible frontier gibberish, which at the minimum gives the vibe that you’re more trying to dismantle his credibility as a player, which doesn’t really have any town applications IF you think he’s town right?

 

[Grammaton]

There's really not much of a way to handle it otherwise. I've addressed his points, and where he's wrong, he's clearly too much in tunnel mode to have any productive conversation, and the commentary around his slot and townreading him clearly doesn't come from the dimension of the accuracy of his pushes, it's all gold sticker shit from him actually having the gal to case me - what exactly do you expect or want? Genuinely.

In the wider sense, what I want is for you (and everyone) to focus on defeating the cases made against them based on their merit and less on defaulting to painting the accuser as a total retard

That’s the dream anyway!

For you specifically I dunno, I’m struggling to vibe with much of what you’re doing atm (except your sus of Dofla). That’s more your methods than your conclusions though.

 

[Ultra]

Yeah, I don't have the energy to tunnel this game so I'm playing around with a new town style this game. I feel like I've been in enough arguments with Fang that there's moments where, unfortunately, he just kind of talks pure madness. I don't mean that as insult, but I think there's no way he just puts on the show he did over him not people able to comprehend if I'm serious or not, as a wolf. Willing to let that develop with other slots and decide instead of clogging thread and engaging in an argument I don't think will lead anywhere productive.

I'm not try to be Evans' hype man. What does that mean anyway? I feel that's shade, isn't it? I think the posts of yours that Evans pulled showed, what I thought, maybe some false confidence and you just trying to have things your way. Now, that isn't necessarily wolf indicative, but I don't think you can just dismiss Evans posts so easily. It seems there's some tension from last game as well? No idea what that's about (don't care), but if there is, I wouldn't mind if you both dropped it because it'd make reading your slots and argument a bit easier.

What do you feel is the most wolfy thing about Dofla right now? What has piqued you other than his sideline, balcony act, dropping popcorn from above us as we peasants fight?

I think you're treating him with kiddie gloves to produce that read, which I take no issue with, but I do have to logically extend that and wonder why you're aghast that I'm "dismissing Evans points easily". You haven't even brought up specifics in this regard so to me this registers as pretty fake, honesty. What has he brought to light about my approach to him that you suddenly take issue with? You literally followed the case that was being made on him early game all the way up until he made that post, so you'd think your interest in this matter would demand that you actually have something lucid to say about where I apparently fucked up. Instead, this is all posturing.

 

[Evans]

I see

You do realise that almost never happens tho right? You’d be better off trying to lynch him if you think that’s the play

Meh, it’s all probably academic.

what’s your take on some of the other players I’ve been interacting with?

I’d live in hope the right outcome would prevail

I think Tweet looks like he’s trying to get comfortable next to you.

Himes posts look genuine

BPD is much more passive than I remember

Not sure how I feel about Soulkiller, contradicts about criticising your play but not wanting to give any alternatives how, but it seems like a townie approach

 

[Ultra]

In the wider sense, what I want is for you (and everyone) to focus on defeating the cases made against them based on their merit and less on defaulting to painting the accuser as a total retard

That’s the dream anyway!

For you specifically I dunno, I’m struggling to vibe with much of what you’re doing atm (except your sus of Dofla). That’s more your methods than your conclusions though.

I spent a good deal of posts doing just that before deciding to cap off that interaction as pointless. Again, for you to be dissatisfied with me not "defeating" the case should point to some argument you feel is compelling that left unaddressed, do you actually have a reservation here or is this just scale tipping?

 

[Ultra]

no reaction or reply @Ultra ?
ur the one who wanted me to elaborate

I fell asleep

 

[Grammaton]

I spent a good deal of posts doing just that before deciding to cap off that interaction as pointless. Again, for you to be dissatisfied with me not "defeating" the case should point to some argument you feel is compelling that left unaddressed, do you actually have a reservation here or is this just scale tipping?

When you say scale tipping, what do you mean?

I thought I was pretty clear, I don’t think Evans has any smoking gun on you, it’s more the method you chose to employ to rebut him which might betray your agenda - that is to undermine detractors at source