Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

[Evans]

Also, why the obsession with Ekko? Lots of contradicitons here.

Best you can hope for is Ekko being only vocal when he's trying to legitimately solve and hunt

don't think I made that distinction of soft town reading him BECAUSE he joined Hime and Dofla's wagon on Ultra. Just as you mentioned about Ultra that an objective assessment would to be based around a players known behavior, tells, and posturing (or lack of) when they are town or scum, is why I was giving a town read on Ekko, he's still operating and behaving in the way he usually does in games when he's town; the fair bit of activity and posting, jumping and latching onto Ultra to vote him without any hesitation, early on taking an immediate side on who he wants to vote.

Look at these two quotes above. The 2nd is at post 556. Ekko had 16 posts. 1/3 of them were fluff/jokes, look below. He also quickly swapped his vote onto me.

its the first time i rolled scum from start in OLF, and as fang's teammate, i will not vote him

there probably is no lynchpin this game, otherwise it wud be specified in the town wincon

we cant just win by randomly shooting pins rikt

locking u town cuz i dont wanna bus (not this early atleast)

thoughts on our team only being 3 members in 21 player game?

evans FROZEN in the bar chat

Narrator:

"It was a pretty sunny day outside in Texas, and as such, Kekko was chilling in his room like the introvert he is.

But Evans, a member of some online mafia society, said some weird things that had Kekko confused..."

Progress toward's Kekko's explosion - 7%​

Ace = Kekko right?

Where is Rem and OLU?

You've played a few games with Ace and had seen Ekko posting?

We still have like 3 people who haven't posted. And where the fuck is Kekko.

Weird when you'd already discussed his activity and said he's fairly active?

I'm surprised you have Kekko here

This white knighting stands out like a sore thumb on the ISO. You question a jokey scum read that's literally in order of peoples posts in the game.

One of Ekko's proper last posts before he was killed.

- neutral with Kurumi and Grammaton
- was undecided on Soul, T-Pein, and Juliet
- leaning scum on Dofla, Tweet, Cubey, and TSworder

This is interesting to me:

- I haven't aligned Ultra as town strongly yet and would admit I would pretty quickly jump on his wagon if it came down to hammering his lynch
- Ultra has however said in a few more of his most recent posts regarding my slot that he can see me as town
- I have to double check on my read on Lethal again but I don't really remember giving a detailed one on him
- I have started to lose my belief in reading Hime town, but Ekko still does despite how weak her responses were to my questions about how much she was pretty much in lock and step with Soul
- haven't given much on Natalija but for what little she posted seemed enough to get a town read from Ekko
- don't yet see Tweet as scum but Ekko does

I think this can serve as a good testing ground for deciding a public PoE slating.

Juliet and Hime can't be aligned or teamed up for what we've seen so I'd be happy to preferably put the latter on blast but Juliet is a fine alternative option; and I am pretty aware I was attacking and chasing Hime through her interactions with Hime and Soul but like I said before, wasn't really invested in 'defending' her more so then tracking on Hime's weird behavior.

I was pretty clear that I wanted to discuss casing both Hime and Juliet for today. So Ultra honestly isn't relevant here to this target. And anyways it was from Ekko's reads that I'm bouncing how odd I found it he read both me and Ultra as town.

This support for Ekko's reads list and acting like it's gospel looks completely disingenuous, especially since Ekko's now dead. It's almost as if you buddying his grave to put as much distance between you and Ekko's death as possible.

 

[Evans]

There is definite misunderstanding on your part. I'm clarifying it to you: I don't care if Ultra town reads me or not. You are sidestepping the interest for Juliet vs Hime, which is a problem I have.

bro you're talking about Hime/Juliet but you're just asking other peoples thoughts and aren't contributing or pushing that direction yourself

 

[Odd]

Teach me sensei!

Ultra is a scrapper from way back, a mafia purist and he gathers support as we speak. The insults aren't really insults, they're tools for him to steer conversations, control narratives and sway perceptions. You unfortunately have fallen in to his pace. If you scumread him you have to ignore everything he says and does. Treat him like he's already dead and the dead don't talk.

Like I don't care that's he trashed your gameplay, so forget about it as a case point because it kind of isn't a case point at all. Next up don't tell Ultra how scummy he is, he's staunch and won't be voting for himself. Tell everyone else instead, it's voters you need not an apology.

Now go forth and build your wagon to fly, make your case to win and do it all on your terms

 

[The X]

Kinda feel like lynching Lord Melkor, not going to lie.

I have some reservations over JG's claim but I'd like to take her off the table for at least a day.

Who's up for a Gram lynch?

Go for it. Since when do you need permission? You've been talking about Gram all game.

 

[Odd]

Ehhhh setup spec bad

Indeed, I punch myself in the nuts everytime I catch myself doing setup speculation

 

[The X]

Ultra is a scrapper from way back, a mafia purist and he gathers support as we speak. The insults aren't really insults, they're tools for him to steer conversations, control narratives and sway perceptions. You unfortunately have fallen in to his pace. If you scumread him you have to ignore everything he says and does. Treat him like he's already dead and the dead don't talk.

Like I don't care that's he trashed your gameplay, so forget about it as a case point because it kind of isn't a case point at all. Next up don't tell Ultra how scummy he is, he's staunch and won't be voting for himself. Tell everyone else instead, it's voters you need not an apology.

Now go forth and build your wagon to fly, make your case to win and do it all on your terms

My man, I appreciate this, but I've played with Ultra for ten years, I know all this. The first paragraph I've already been preaching nonstop. I want YOU to go after him since you said you would show me how it's done.

 

[Ultra]

I also don't think you'd slip like that which begs the question, why did you talk about what happens WHEN Pein flips town?

My brain expanded before the lynch. It happens.

 

[Evans]

Looks like Aurelians dipped

 

[Aurelian]

Also, why the obsession with Ekko? Lots of contradicitons here.

There isn't any of that here with me regarding Ekko, you are clutching at pearls.

Look at these two quotes above. The 2nd is at post 556. Ekko had 16 posts. 1/3 of them were fluff/jokes, look below. He also quickly swapped his vote onto me.

And what does this have to do with me exactly? If we are going to fall back on posts and behaviors in day 1 as circumstantial "evidence" for gotchas, where was any of this from you considering your clear town read on me throughout the day after we patched up?

What now makes me suspicious to you with this odd shading you are pushing at me?

You've played a few games with Ace and had seen Ekko posting?

This is really weak. I don't really think you'd pull something as spineless as accuse me of being shady by not instantly recognizing your guys nicknames to angle on me.

Weird when you'd already discussed his activity and said he's fairly active?

In what way? After his first handful of posts, Ekko was Mia for most of day 1. I'm not seeing the dots about how my comments with his activity are coming out of the left field.

This white knighting stands out like a sore thumb on the ISO. You question a jokey scum read that's literally in order of peoples posts in the game.

This is again grasping at straws. You can ISO more of my posts from day 1 and look for Ekko in them, there is nothing that is worrying for me, my man. I never white knighted Ekko in day 1.

Ekko claimed to Grammaton that my reads were there to try ans appease him, which was verifiable false like your claim here.

This support for Ekko's reads list and acting like it's gospel looks completely disingenuous, especially since Ekko's now dead. It's almost as if you buddying his grave to put as much distance between you and Ekko's death as possible.

I never treated Ekko's reads as "canon". I even highlighted there were several major contradictions I had with some of his own ones. If anyone is being disingenuous here it's you for misrepresenting and twisting one thing to another.

 

[Aurelian]

Looks like Aurelians dipped

I'm here to stay

 

[Ultra]

Aurelian if you're putting stock in Ekko's reads why are you going for Hime/Juliet

 

[Juliet]

Okay so how are you saying it's a common fake role then??

Because I've seen scum fake claim backup in a light role game.

 

[Juliet]

I haven't been liking Aurelian's stance today.

 

[Aurelian]

I never treated Ekko's reads as "canon". I even highlighted there were several major contradictions I had with some of his own ones. If anyone is being disingenuous here it's you for misrepresenting and twisting one thing to another.

Aurelian if you're putting stock in Ekko's reads why are you going for Hime/Juliet

 

[Aurelian]

It seems the wolves are howling for my blood.

 

[Evans]

There isn't any of that here with me regarding Ekko, you are clutching at pearls.

And what does this have to do with me exactly? If we are going to fall back on posts and behaviors in day 1 as circumstantial "evidence" for gotchas, where was any of this from you considering your clear town read on me throughout the day after we patched up?

What now makes me suspicious to you with this odd shading you are pushing at me?

First of all it was a lean and I felt that interaction at the time was TvT. After the interaction we just had where you were trying to manipulate me and then lying about not using a gun to head situation, I ISOd you.

This is really weak. I don't really think you'd pull something as spineless as accuse me of being shady by not instantly recognizing your guys nicknames to angle on me.

On its own? No. But it looks weird in the bigger picture

In what way? After his first handful of posts, Ekko was Mia for most of day 1. I'm not seeing the dots about how my comments with his activity are coming out of the left field.

Bro you literally town read him for his activity

This is again grasping at straws. You can ISO more of my posts from day 1 and look for Ekko in them, there is nothing that is worrying for me, my man. I never white knighted Ekko in day 1.

I just showed the white knighting quote

Ekko claimed to Grammaton that my reads were there to try ans appease him, which was verifiable false like your claim here.

I never treated Ekko's reads as "canon". I even highlighted there were several major contradictions I had with some of his own ones. If anyone is being disingenuous here it's you for misrepresenting and twisting one thing to another.

You didn’t treat them as canon you say?

I think this can serve as a good testing ground for deciding a public PoE slating.

Canon enough to use it as a basis for setting up PoE

I was pretty clear that I wanted to discuss casing both Hime and Juliet for today. So Ultra honestly isn't relevant here to this target. And anyways it was from Ekko's reads that I'm bouncing how odd I found it he read both me and Ultra as town.

And enough for you to sway off the Ultra conversation we were having by using Ekkos “non canon” reads as a justification.

 

[Ultra]

Ok, next question, where did your interest in Juliet come from?

 

[Juliet]

It seems the wolves are howling for my blood.

Wolves want my blood more. They have sharp teeth and all I have are cat claws to fight against the wolves.

 

[The X]

Because I've seen scum fake claim backup in a light role game.

But you used the fact that backup is common fake claim to immediately dismiss Kurumi's claim. It's obviously not as common as you say it is.

 

[Odd]

My man, I appreciate this, but I've played with Ultra for ten years, I know all this. The first paragraph I've already been preaching nonstop. I want YOU to go after him since you said you would show me how it's done.

Alright, can I interest you in an Ultra, here's my case: Yesterday.

Also I better get on this wagon meself

[Vote Lynch Ultra]