To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - Touma's Boogaloo Edition

Astaro said:

@fiamma @Paxton

I remember reading it, but you have the scans saying Magic Gods can take 1 or 2 of each others full power attacks?

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“How many more times do you plan on destroying the earth?”

“As many times as it takes. Or we’ll keep doing it forever. We’ve been holding back for so
long out of concern for everyone around us, you see. I doubt a century or even a
millennium is going to be enough to work through all that pent up frustration. Now that
something’s set us off like this, we’ve got a never-ending war of endless explosions on our
hands!”

“...”

“Oh, but we don’t mind. This is an endless world of eternal war and a world where we can
go all out. In a way, that’s one form of paradise.

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“We can go all out without having to worry about the world!! In this isolated world, we
don’t have to worry about affecting anyone else!! It’s just so much fun!! Drool!!”

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...Unlike the proper earth where six or seven billion lived, this earth contained no
lifeforms, human or otherwise. Here, there were only the Magic Gods who had mastered
the field of magic until they had achieved the title of a god. Only those true beasts who
were satisfied so long as they could wield their extraordinary power without being a
nuisance and who were willing to engage each other in unceasing combat in this
eternally-regenerating prison where they could go all out.
-NT19

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Astaro said:

@fiamma @Paxton

I remember reading it, but you have the scans saying Magic Gods can take 1 or 2 of each others full power attacks?

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Paxton said:

Who said anything about Risk 4 Transcendents only being universal lol

Hell, why would it be a contradiction for Risk 4 Transcendents to be capable of killing (at least) a nerfed Magic God in the first place?
Why can't they just be superior to NT Aleister?

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Paxton said:

Expansion?

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Paxton said:

It's Risk 4.
Alice isn't a convenient tool for them to use outside of what they already borrow from her anyway.

That quote doesn't prove Othinus affects the Pure World, just that Alice also affects the "world" to at least the same degree that Othinus does.
Which like, no shit.
I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that Magic Gods affect the Pure World from.




Flaming;Sword is only blocked by Imagine Breaker after Coronzon loses her vessel and gets severely weakened.
And what happens when she has her vessel? Touma's arm gets turned into fucking salsa after trying to block it, with Othinus even specifically saying "the world's reference point ISN'T ENOUGH to negate it".

For something that's supposedly "equal" to Gungnir, it sure did do a lot more damage to his arm than Gungnir did.
Not the point you want to bring up tbh.


Magic Gods not being negated by Imagine Breaker while Risk 4 is has literally nothing to do with power.
Imagine Breaker has exceptions as to what it finds supernatural, which is uh, kind of obvious, as you already know.



Nope, it wasn't just a matter of knowledge (which is literally power in this series anyway).






Both of these are from GT4.

The first is from the narration, and the second is from a former Magic God herself.

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fiamma said:

"Anna Sprengel. Despite being closer to a shrine maiden, she freely commands Aiwass, a transcendent being, and is a legendary magician to the extent that her reputation surpasses that of a 'Magic God.' That woman always walks on her own feet and appears directly in front of her enemies. I wonder why?

This sentence does not mean that Anna is more powerful than a Magic God, but rather that her fame and reputation are so legendary that they surpass that of a Magic God.

It's not even saying she surpasses them, but uses the metaphor "to the extent that she could surpass."

This is similar to how Aleister is a more legendary magician than Kingsford, but his actual abilities are far below.

The phrase used is not even "surpassed," but "to the extent that she could surpass."

I don't understand why it was translated with a definitive meaning.

"Legendary" has nothing to do with power.

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fiamma said:

"...Mama will allow her Lex to reach 4 here. One seal broken,
departing from human constraints." The words came from the mouth of
the 'Old Good Mary.'

"Come out, Trivikos. The experimental apparatus with which Mama
sealed the entire universe with her own hands."

If one does not fear being caught up and severed by the Trismegistus,
which imbues all phenomena with a keen sharpness, wouldn't it be
possible to blanket this universe entirely with slashes, covering it
in particle-level slaughter and destruction...?

Both clearly emerge as a universe, right? It's in the singular
form.

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fiamma said:

They were not aware that zombies had the concept of dying on their own until Aleister was murdered, and the NT13 incident occurred immediately after the NT12 incident.

Therefore, in NT13, when Nephthys and Niang-Niang mentioned "the same Magic God," the context that they could withstand 1-2 shots even when hit in an unguarded state suggests that they were likely speaking based on what happened during the Hidden Phase.

In other words, this implies that the expansion is possible even with the Magic Gods at full power.

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Paxton said:

If you ignore the other quote I posted, and if you ignore how magical skill/knowledge directly translates into combat ability, sure.

And the same quote literally has Othinus call her "the strongest" because of said capabilities/accomplishments.

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Astaro said:

Got the scan?

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fiamma said:

If we look at the meaning of the words alone, the MagicGod who has the modifier "omnipotent" directly attached to them, surpassing even human imagination, would be the strongest.

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fiamma said:

yes

i personally own all the original Japanese books in the Toaru series.
Should I provide the relevant passage for you?

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Kamijou had lost his memories and could not recall when he first met the electric middle school girl or initially encountered the grimoire library, so how had that boy behaved at those times?

Did the person observe the ability, or did the ability observe the person?

He felt like everything was flipped around before his eyes.

(You too?)

His mind went blank.

Kamijou had previously seen an ability that gained an autonomous mind of its own and left the person’s control: Academy City’s #2, Dark Matter. But once it happened to him, the pressure on his heart was unimaginable.

(You wanted to save them too???)

Humans could observe their environment to intentionally alter probability, produce various abilities, and control things. That had grown to the point of the Personal Realities that actually altered the world they could observe. That was the basic logic behind the scientific espers of Academy City.

However.

What if the abilities were watching the humans as well? If they had the observer’s ability to alter probability, then could that unknown power control not just Kamijou himself, but the interior and exterior of every thinking being of the human race?

For example, even a being like Magic God Othinus could be remade like a puzzle.

Was it the High Priest who had said Magic Gods were the world’s crucial gears and Kamijou was their scorer? And if necessary, he could adjust how the gears fit together?

A dragon, a guardian of treasures.

A being who crossed the duality of good and evil.

In other words…

(The One who Purifies God and Slays Demons?)

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Churronzon said:

That word has never been used to describe them. I do want to find the one time the series has used it tho

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