Lethal
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Alright, @Black Pegged Dragon , it's your turn:
I've played with CP for ~4 years. I am almost always scum leaning him because he's a difficult player to break down for me. It's negative thinking to always excuse someone as a scum lean, well, except for Doddsy, cos he's permascum.
Frozen in wolf chat =/= dipping. Saying I dipped when I went afk is insulting and I took issue with it. I may not be the most active player, but I do my best to catchup and get involved when I am playing. The game had advanced 1300 posts between getting on PC. Of course I didn't like the comment.
Funny, you said they were all about Poyser, but no, they were us discussing mutually observed traits on Tweet. Dare I hint a lie to push an agenda?
Why are CP, Dalton, Alco, & Haza scum for you?
Why are Ultra, Yoshi, Ekko, Retro & Tweet town for you?
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It's a cute case, as I said. You're building a narrative here based on a lot of assumptions and using my tendency to play overly emotional. You even admitted earlier that you were letting your emotions fly (I'd suggest deliberately trying to wind me up).
For beating your chest so much about this case, it's not even that strong imo as I've easily negated any points provided.
Evans had spent most of those posts engaging about me. It's a typical tactic from him. So yeah, tunnel. Evans will choose someone and go in on them. He likes to do it to me. We once had a 20+ page back and forth in a Norse game. I was interacting with Poyser because he was active in the thread. If you think I'm going to try and be 'safe' with Poyser as scum, then that's flawed because he has an excellent strike rate at reading me when scum. If he'd sniffed any bullshit, he'd be into me and I'd avoid him. WIFOM, sure, but there's plenty of data to support it.Lethal has six fluff posts and two posts talking about his own scum meta. This post then is made and it stands out to me because the game had barely started and Evans certainly wasn't tunneling. I think Lethal had some slight nervousness about Evans talking about him.
Kind of interesting as well, out of Lethal's first ten posts, four of them are interacting with Poyser. It might seem like Lethal is looking for some safe footing into the game while interacting with someone they might feel safe with.
Yeah, I have changed. it's been over a year since I last played with Evans, so he needed to know that. We were arguing cos I felt he was tunneling. It's clear I was scum reading him? Strong choice of words there, and false. Lean, possibly, but not read.After this point eight of his next fifteen posts are getting into an argument with Evans. Funny that he tells Evans at the start that his game has changed. During this exchange, it's very clear that Lethal is scum reading Evans.
You can click through Lethal and Evans argument
He was being a smart arse saying that I'd dipped so I gave one back in return. I think the frozen in wolf chat comment is funny, and used it.Another interesting post I just want to put her as I'll be making reference to it later.
Again, I have random time frames to play in. I had been out, reception wasn't that good where I was. I could've just ignored it all, feigned catching up like OneLastUserName and BigMan, but hey, I want to contribute.Now at this point, it has to be noted, that Lethal is gone from the game for almost twenty four hours and returns 1300 posts later. People are 100 allowed to be away from the game for whatever reason, just has to be said that is a lot of time missed for Lethal in the game.
As I mentioned, I'd been skim reading on the train. I recalled some of the more notable things but didn't save them as I was on phone and the quotes don't transfer over. I also didn't know how to use the bookmarks yet either. The process re: Ekko was that he's normally blood thirsty for anything that is anti-town (of which an indy is). Xmas mafia he wanted to keep the suspected SK alive to assist with the night kills. (now we thought it was Pein, which could cloud that sentiment).This is Lethal's entrance back into the game. While I applaud the effort, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Not sure why if you have limited time, the first thing you comment is on Fang vs Ratchet. Considering Fang's flip, it makes sense for Lethal to position himself in safe way in regards to the entire Fang situation. Not sure how Fang vs Ratchet turns into a comment about Ekko protecting a mate, though. Don't see the thought process.
Not sure where the CP town lean comes either. This is an especially tough read because I scum read CP and Lethal admits that they have no idea how to really read CP.
I've played with CP for ~4 years. I am almost always scum leaning him because he's a difficult player to break down for me. It's negative thinking to always excuse someone as a scum lean, well, except for Doddsy, cos he's permascum.
Yeah, I did, since he's grown up the scale of my suspects. Near identical pattern to how he approached Xmas mafia. We say that it's not loved that I'm using a past game to go after Ekko here, but you have no issue in using a past game to go after me over my reactions? Is this not hypocritical? I find it rather obtuse in fact. You're trying to paint a picture here but your brush is dry.This is where I think Lethal tries to start some suss on Ekko for a place to put a vote later on (Lethal votes for Ekko in this phase). Don't love that Lethal is using a past game to go after Ekko either.
At this point in the game, Lethal engages with Evans once again and restarts the tunnel. Lethal was the one the reignited this. It's also funny because Lethal called Evans 'frozen in the wolf chat' because he was away from the game, but then when someone says Lethal dipped, he did not like that.
Frozen in wolf chat =/= dipping. Saying I dipped when I went afk is insulting and I took issue with it. I may not be the most active player, but I do my best to catchup and get involved when I am playing. The game had advanced 1300 posts between getting on PC. Of course I didn't like the comment.
Yeah, because I said maybe I'm being blinded by bias with Evans and went along my suspicion tree cos Ekko wasn't getting bites. I'd made it pretty clear why I was interested in Ultra when doing this, no?Somehow Lethal's round two tunnel of Evans ends with an Ultra vote?
Mine is bigger. And now the posts about Poyser:
This was to facilitate discussion around Tweet. Town tweet has no issues reading people, or giving out scum reads. It was observed that he'd purposefully avoided Poyser in this instance of the game.He had no issues town reading you in Xmas mafia. Also didn't hesitate to put scum reads either
Can't post screenshots so I'm posting the text:
Ye this is about what I would have expected you to say from the start, but since it took me begging you to react this way it gets you 0 points this time
Tweet directly interacting here with Poyser. He hasn't done so in this game.
These are receipts from the last game we played. Evidence to support the sentiment that non-scum tweet (he was survivor in this game) has no issue interacting with Poyser. Scum Tweet does.Also this:
I don't think Poyser is scum, as he pointed out his play around the flipped scum players makes no sense as their teammate
I can't even remember what he said tbh nor did I double check it but it made sense when I read it so here we are :cozy
Funny, you said they were all about Poyser, but no, they were us discussing mutually observed traits on Tweet. Dare I hint a lie to push an agenda?
I'm an emotional player. Call me dumb, coward etc and I'll go off. I addressed this earlier and accept that maybe I go too far at times and I shouldn't.I hate to say this, but I've seen this exact reaction from Lethal as caught scum fairly recently.
A lot more tunneling with Evans in this section. I would say a lot of emotional reactions from Lethal as well that might be put on a bit.
Yeah, I saw they were an option but I genuinely didn't know how to use them, hence the question. My task of catching up would've been so much easier if I'd known. You thinking I'm faking not knowing how to do something is on you. I think you severely underestimate how clueless I am at certain things.This is an interesting post here. If you remember that post I quoted earlier saying it'd be important earlier? Well, Lethal was excited for threadmarks and that it would make the game easier. But here, Lethal acts like he's got no idea how to work threadmarks and shows frustration. I think this goes to show that this emotional act Lethal is putting on is fake.
And? Yoshi has all this alleged tactical brilliance from one game, Fang was snapping away at anyone who went against him, and Ultra was placating it. I've learned many moons ago to try and see connections of teams forming in the thread. You disagree, cool.Post 1753 is pretty difficult. Lethal jumps to Yoshi as being suss (low-hanging fruit) and then also, somehow, at the end of everything, suggests a team of Yoshi, Fang, and Ultra.
This was my case on Yoshi, if you can call it a case. He completely ignored a portion of play prior to his entry. He suggested tunneling off of 2 posts. Low-hanging fruit he may be, but he's not immune from suspicion.- Yoshi's entrance wasn't that decent in the sense that being ~190 posts into the game, he says he misses Ratchet on discord and then specs on private convos happening. Suggests Haza is tunneling Aurelian off of 2 posts? This from the guy who has played ~2 games in total? Oddly defensive of someone with very specific wording. Lots of fluff posting. Oh the new to mafia comes once Poyser huh's him at the tunnel comment. Interesting. Hadn't bothered looking at posts before Pein tagged him in. Idk, I just don't really think it's positive play to ignore a portion of posts because you hadn't arrived to the thread yet.
So are reads are a complete 180 of each other. Not sure how this is bad for me, we just have different thoughts and opinions. I have played ~5 games with Ratchet on WG and formed a good enough assumption about his town play, which I agree is the same happening here. Am I wrong? Absolutely possible but I'm confident enough in my ability to be comfy with that atm.Here are reads from Lethal. I'll say I am town reading all of Lethal's scum reads. I'll point out the Ratchet read is one I don't like because they didn't play a lot of games together and Lethal shouldn't just be able to give Ratchet a town read based off of experience on WS.
I mean, I'm looking for more evidence on Tweet being a fence sitter, and given Poyser and I had been in communication about it, of course I'm going to seek his opinion.Barf
Why are CP, Dalton, Alco, & Haza scum for you?
Why are Ultra, Yoshi, Ekko, Retro & Tweet town for you?
Fang was insulting Poyser about reading ability, CP was insulting you about reading ability. They were deflecting away from what was being presented with insults. You even liked this post, but now have found an issue with it? Interesting switch up. And yeah, CP as a town lean but with not much confidence at all, given my previously stated lack of trust in my ability to read him correctly.Found this post intereting. Why call out CP for a deflective tactic? Deflecting is usually what scum does. Lethal is town reading CP. Weird for Lethal to call out a town read for a deflective tactic.
Bussing my being the hammer vote? Sorta like yours being the 10th vote?Got to catch the last seat on the bus.
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It's a cute case, as I said. You're building a narrative here based on a lot of assumptions and using my tendency to play overly emotional. You even admitted earlier that you were letting your emotions fly (I'd suggest deliberately trying to wind me up).
For beating your chest so much about this case, it's not even that strong imo as I've easily negated any points provided.