Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

[hime]

Stop mind melding with me hime.

omg i was just abt to tell u to stop posting my thoughts XD

 

[Juliet]

so in other words... ur fully aware of (or thought u were aware of) how u will be perceived if u act a certain way and now question y u werent received as per what u expected?

I don't care what people think of how I make my opening. It made me wonder if scum would want to talk about my opening.

 

[hime]

I don't care what people think of how I make my opening. It made me wonder if scum would want to talk about my opening.

if u dont care abt how u make ur opening, y would u say that this kind of opening was generally well received on wg?
also if u dont care abt ur opening, y did u wonder if scum would talk abt it?
ik that when i dont care abt something, thats basically it
there is nothing beyond that
i dont think abt how other ppl perceive my "dont care-ness" historically nor do i wonder whether players of certain alignments will take advantage of it in anyway
it just doesnt get to that point tbh

 

[Juliet]

hime's posts look nitpicky.

 

[Juliet]

Anyways, I'm really good at reading Soulkiller. I've spectated his scum games and I correctly read him as scum and the games I played with him as town I town read him correctly. I feel like I should be able to figure out what his alignment is at least close to end of day 1.

 

[Grammaton]

I mean I do appreciate town reading me but that won't necessarily mean too much right now, right?

As for Ultra, I haven't liked the meat of what he's said and his interactions with Dofla. Plus its weird because when I was posting with Ekko, I made the suggestion of 'bussing' Ultra and Ekko jumped on voting him, well after Hime, T-Pein, and Dofla already had their votes on him.

Do you think its strange Ultra has fixated on my vote and Dofla's on him but not theirs? Is there a particular reason mine gets particular attention but not those 3?

As for reads, not a fan of really doing that when several players haven't posted yet but who do we have so far:

- You (null, I've seen you do this busy work kind of thing before so don't know how to pin it)
- Evans (as I mentioned earlier, not comfortable in saying he's town when he seems passive right now interacting with a couple of people, kind of a polarized display compared to the last game when he was town, currently have as a null)
- Ekko (could lean town, shitposts lots in day 1 regardless, fairly active which is his normal MO without going to excessive with his posts, happily jumped into the Ultra bandwagon with a couple others piling on Ultra, can see him as soft town for now)
- Dofla (haven't played with him too much so don't have much to pin on him for tells or hints as clues to what his alignment is, think he has the upper hand in looking better from just tripping up Ultra so far but I think that's good enough for now for another soft town vibe)
- Hime (null, only made like a handful of posts and threw a vote at Ultra, don't really feel any actual teeth so far with her interest in the wagon on him so far, so null for her too)
- Kurumi (went against the grain as the pressure on Ultra started to mount with multiple votes on lynching Ultra to say he's playing aggressively and she sees that as a town trait of his, conflicted enough to not really say how to gauge her if this is a town or wolf/scum trait, again null read atm)
- Ultra (he's sort of coordinating weirdly with BPD, there's the weird shift with Evans sort of trying to change or swing the discussion away from votes that were building on Ultra, maybe not scum? But I don't feel it at the moment)
- T-Pein (can't tell if his immediate joining in on the push against Ultra is legitimate or not, pretty happily put his vote on Ultra and also accused Evans of trying to shift focus away from the votes on him. Also had Evans and Ultra included in his potential scum list but again don't really know if that's him just fucking around or being serious, again willing to risk him as soft town)
- BPD (doesn't really fluff post well that much in day 1 scenarios from my experience, does excessively and aggressively tunnel on people, misguided or correct when playing as town, accused me of shitposting with him as being 'afraid' of him, doesn't really explain himself other than tinfoiling but that's a fair trait when he's town of being off the base a lot, potentially soft town but equally go also be scum and doing the whole 'wolfing' thing that he fondly will accuse others of, actually sticking with null on him atm)
- TSworder (no idea, barely said anything at all so far)
- Tweet (same as him, made like 1 post I think?)

So to pick through this in some kind of order

- I dont think its particularly strange to narrow your (Ultra's) focus no, that seems within range - Are you saying you expect him to treat all players exactly equal?
- I'm not sure what you mean by busy work, I'm looking for town players to work with and scum players to expose, basically every post I've made is game related is it not?
- If you think Evans is the polar opposite of last game where hes town, do you not think hes a worthwhile avenue to pursue?
- Your reasons for townleaning Ekko are again counterintuitive to me - If he piled onto a wagon that you later describe as not feeling as scum, doesn't that raise an alarm? Or are you saying he might not be scum, but for now you think he is?
- Where did Dofla trip Ultra?
- Hime read is fair enough, interested in your take on her now tho
- I dont get your Kurumi read, she does a bunch of stuff you seem to like but dont give any credit for it?
- I don't think theres any 'co-ordination' going on, especially with more recent posts in mind between Ultra and BPD
- Questioning the legitimacy of anything Tpein does is usually fairly pointless - But if you do think Ultra is scum then this one makess sense
- Powerwolfing isnt BPDs deal based on my experiences with him - hes noticeably quieter and far less confrontational. I'd agree that powerwolfing is one of his favourite crutches for justifying scum reads on active players who look like theyre trying to do something
- Last two arent really worth a comment

So I'm now in a quandary because I can see where youre coming from with some stuff, and your worldview makes a lot more sense to me if you do think Ultra is scum - but some of this seems kinda backward to me

Could you fill in the blanks on Hime and BPD now pls?

 

[Grammaton]

I agree. It limits town’s options for a viable lynch

Could you just elaborate on what exactly it is you mean by this?

 

[Grammaton]

Do you disagree that Ultra and Evans are unlikely teammates from their interactions so far?

It doesn't seem likely, but thats not what I'm trying to shut down specifically

 

[Grammaton]

Does this extend to your buddy Odo as well who basically made the same observation? Fucking dip shit. Your case is just OMGUS with dressing.

This seems out of place - we probably picked up on the same thing with Evans but we haven't approached it in the same way at all?

You think he'd give me a pass cause were on good terms?

 

[Grammaton]

You shading me and being proved wrong multiple times about my posts because you've clearly not read them makes me think I'm on exactly the right wagon and that I was right about you trying to set me up for a mislynch.

If anything, I hope I am lynched and it reveals exactly what I've countered you with and I see you in the dead chat by end of next day phase

we need to have a talk, mayhap an intervention after this game

 

[Grammaton]

I'm giving Gram a slight town lean, just about everybody he asks a question to answers him like he's someone they gotta give a satisfactory answer to or else. I'm putting decent odds on there being at least one actual scum in there doing some actual appeasing.

I mean thanks but I'm not sure if this is accurate?

 

[Grammaton]

votes evans without providing a reason


says he wants to compare notes


starts talking to evans about the ppl he susses



questions ur assessment of evans


ok... he finally says y hes voting evans and its for fluff
(note: he started voting evans after evans made 5 posts)


ok hes questioning u for ur reasoning for voting evans agn
i find it weird that he is unhappy with ur reasoning when his whole vote is purely based on evans fluffing
actually, im pretty sure ekko has a higher fluff to post ratio than evans yet gram who is very much against fluff ignores that


idk what this -1 point is
just say its scummy if thats what u think, otherwise it just looks a bit meaningless


questions aurelians thinking here


then immediately says aurelian is town

Scalpel time

- I wanted to hold the reason back temporarily, if you tip someone off to whats pinging you, they can change it and youve got nothing with which to advance your case
- yes, asking other players for their opinion is a thing in this game
- yes, talking to people is too
- your next two points ill address together, Im not voting evans specifically for fluffing, its more the kind of fluffing that could potentially be used to set up an activity excuse. I dont care about the likes of Ekko and Tpein fluffing and shitposting because thats basically what I expect of them. However, Evans potentially setting up a reason to do less or less interested is problematic because he tends to be active and engaged with the game when available when town, and simulating that as scum is both risky and tiring
- The -1 is literally to indicate I think its scummy, hope that clears things up for you
- You can both think somebody is town and notice what theyre saying isn't making sense, theyre not mutually exclusive points

For the sake of clarity, I like Evans more than I did when I went to bed

 

[Grammaton]

Grammaton, feels he is asking question without any resolution to solve a person slot really. Felt wishy washy him pinging people asking question. That sanity check he tried to pull on Evan felt fake, and some of his posts toward Ultra felt forced. Him also coming out openly and lowkey defending Fang by stating he is townie did not go unoticed, possible TMI tbh and felt like it came out of nowhere.

Kurumi been reactive this game, only posts when players ask her questions, that's atleast all her meaingfull posts were. Not good look.

Evans wallie he dropped on Ultra felt townie, geniune frustration. While going through that interaction I felt that Ultra was being very how to put it... Calm and collected, until he wasn't. Like he tried to be reasonable and have a civil discussion, and be open about him being wrong until he had enough and went complete offensive mode on the guy. I don't think he expected this pushback from Evans.

Cubey posts felt selective, as other mentioned easy picking.

Don't feel any anomousity/maliciousness from BLD.

Juliet read the thread, but nothing to note apparently. Very weird opening tbh.

Not sure if Fang tantrum is scummy or townie, I seen him do it more often as townie than scum so guts say more townie side. He mostly been on the defensive here really.

Yea, nothing else of note really. I am pretty comfortable with my vote on Gramm as of now.

- So outside of asking questions, how do you feel I should be trying to solve anyone?

- Is it purely coincidental you've gone straight to the Joygirl well?

- No animosity from a player who tends to get into heated conflict as town - whats your conclusion here? You may as well have commented on his avatar for all the relevance it would have

- So my read on Aurelian is TMI, but yours is ok?

Not a very good start.

 

[SoulKiller]

- So outside of asking questions, how do you feel I should be trying to solve anyone?

That's my observation regarding your slot from what I have seen. Each person is different and I am not here to tell you how you should try to solve the game. If you are townie eventually it should be transparent and I will pick up on it. As of now, you seem all over the place and nothing of furution out of it. Kinda going in circle somewat.

- Is it purely coincidental you've gone straight to the Joygirl well?

I am not following?

- No animosity from a player who tends to get into heated conflict as town - whats your conclusion here? You may as well have commented on his avatar for all the relevance it would have

Put that more so on the malicious aspect of it. My conclusion is that it looks good on him in my book,. If you disagree then by all means go ahead and make a case.

- So my read on Aurelian is TMI, but yours is ok?

Yes, because of how out of place it was. You didn't have to jump and lowkey defend him.

Not a very good start.

 

[SoulKiller]

Yes, because of how out of place it was. You didn't have to jump and lowkey defend him.

To add into this, I stated that it's a 'possible TMI', nothing concrete. That's how it felt to me while reading.

 

[Grammaton]

That's my observation regarding your slot from what I have seen. Each person is different and I am not here to tell you how you should try to solve the game. If you are townie eventually it should be transparent and I will pick up on it. As of now, you seem all over the place and nothing of furution out of it. Kinda going in circle somewat.



I am not following?



Put that more so on the malicious aspect of it. My conclusion is that it looks good on him in my book,. If you disagree then by all means go ahead and make a case.


Yes, because of how out of place it was. You didn't have to jump and lowkey defend him.

So you’re not here to tell me how to solve the game, but you are going to tell me that you don’t like what I’m doing (which is asking questions to get a feel for people) because it’s all over the place (which is demonstrably untrue, there’s a clear logic to my posts which isn’t AI as I’d make sure it’s there as scum too, but still)

Why was my read of Aurelian out of place, I thought you weren’t telling me how to solve? Did he do anything between when I made that post and when you town read him that you particularly liked and if so, what was it? Otherwise, what you’re saying is going to look like premeditated nonsense isn’t it?

As for BPD, when you talk about maliciousness, what exactly are you referring to? Do you mean you don’t see him trying to set people up with dishonest logic or what?

 

[Grammaton]

Anyways, I'm really good at reading Soulkiller. I've spectated his scum games and I correctly read him as scum and the games I played with him as town I town read him correctly. I feel like I should be able to figure out what his alignment is at least close to end of day 1.

I dunno if this is accurate but I do kind of like that you did it

 

[SoulKiller]

So you’re not here to tell me how to solve the game, but you are going to tell me that you don’t like what I’m doing (which is asking questions to get a feel for people) because it’s all over the place (which is demonstrably untrue, there’s a clear logic to my posts which isn’t AI as I’d make sure it’s there as scum too, but still)

This is odd, you are stuck up over my observation regarding you, then insisting you wanting me to tell you how to play the game? I don't get it. I feel like I explained my opinion regarding your slot very clearly. Sorry I have no energy to go on a long back and forth.

Why was my read of Aurelian out of place, I thought you weren’t telling me how to solve? Did he do anything between when I made that post and when you town read him that you particularly liked and if so, what was it? Otherwise, what you’re saying is going to look like premeditated nonsense isn’t it?

I am not telling you how to solve, not sure how you read that and assumed I am trying to tell you how to play? like what? I addressed my opinion regarding his slot, it's very clear what I stated, go back and read.

As for BPD, when you talk about maliciousness, what exactly are you referring to? Do you mean you don’t see him trying to set people up with dishonest logic or what?

Like, his vibe, I feel like his posts are geniune and he isn't here faking anything. His back and forth with fang somewhat reminded me when I went back and forth with him last time I played with him.

 

[Grammaton]

This is odd, you are stuck up over my observation regarding you, then insisting you wanting me to tell you how to play the game? I don't get it. I feel like I explained my opinion regarding your slot very clearly. Sorry I have no energy to go on a long back and forth.



I am not telling you how to solve, not sure how you read that and assumed I am trying to tell you how to play? like what? I addressed my opinion regarding his slot, it's very clear what I stated, go back and read.




Like, his vibe, I feel like his posts are geniune and he isn't here faking anything. His back and forth with fang somewhat reminded me when I went back and forth with him last time I played with him.

You’re misunderstanding me - your point is that you don’t want to tell me how to solve, but you’re happy to tell me that my method is somehow bad or lacking, or dare I say scummy?

We’re not exactly in long back and forth territory, and it’s all game reiated so what’s the problem? It’s a conversation, an essential component of a text based forum game and an opportunity for you to either check your assumptions or pressure me considering you’re ‘happy with your vote on me’, which suggests at least some level of suspicion?

For the avoidance of doubt, I don’t want you to tell me how to play - im already half decent at the game thanks. I want you to tell me why you object to what I’m doing when you have no desire to actually tell me what would be better for me to do

FWIW I’m inclined to agree BPD is likely town, I certainly wouldn’t wagon him today

 

[Grammaton]

Also I expect an answer to my question re: the timing of your Aurelian read, you quoted my post about it and then talked about something completely different.