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The speed of this wagon is something else yo
I still think the anger isn't alignment indicative when it comes to Lethal.Mate
look at his play.
He’s been combative but with no points or pushes on anyone. He’s throwing fake anger without ANY conviction.
He’s dipping in and out, accepting the early town lean.
He’s parroted early arguments for him (I made a couple of posts about this). Easy options from Poyser to defend himself.
Poyser caught him lying as well about the readback! Man was posting opinions about a readback in a part of a game he was actively posting in lmao
Tbf, while you're right that lots of WS guys seem to be omgusing you, its also accurate that that means you have been sussing a lot of WS guys lmao.Phenom voted for me? Wtf
I was also calling him out while he was doing his read through.
He's looked better with larger posts at BPD/Ultra last night & today but there's been a lot of disproportionate emotional posts and not a lot of attempt at solving the game or pushing his own angles like I'd expect from Lethal (I know it's been a year or so - but one of the arguments has been that Lethal hasn't actually changed that much and his meta is still pretty spot on. This goes both ways with what I'd expect from his town self).
I don't count out the possibility of Ultra being scum now, but at the same time, I feel like scum are going to start bussing him.
What about his play around people that aren’t you?
Does it not worry you that, from your pov, he’s completely wrong on everything though? Not only that, but he’s constantly ignoring his cases taking a beating to change the goalposts and continue on the same susses. Doesn’t seem like a very townie progression to meYeah I let emotions get the better of me. Now I've chilled, you can see I've attempted to solve with Ultra, Yoshi & Ekko, as well as hitting back at the cases presented by Dragon & ultra on me (Ultra's case looks incredibly forced, piggy backing off of Dragon's).
He's got 4 votes? Feels like open wolfing here.
He looks bad around you, absolutely. I think his building a case on me filled him with an aura of confidence and he's trying to overtly solve the game and looking for things that aren't there. He's sorta mellowing out because you're a lot stronger at knocking people down a few pegs (pun intended).
Same again with CP - he took a silly issue with CP claiming to have stopped all kills last night and made a mountain out of a molehill, due to the aura of confidence from the large case he'd made on me. I'd have to look at the CP case again to see exactly what's happening there (like, is he trying to paint CP in a bad light like he did me) but also not wanting to answer for CP cos he's doing well enough on his own.
Oh God forbid WS people not voting for each otherI do think at the very least a decent town core is being formed. I can probably trust Soul, Ratchet, Ultra, Retro. Hopefully Lethal flips wolf and I can trust you and Tpein.
Does it not worry you that, from your pov, he’s completely wrong on everything though? Not only that, but he’s constantly ignoring his cases taking a beating to change the goalposts and continue on the same susses. Doesn’t seem like a very townie progression to me
I still think the anger isn't alignment indicative when it comes to Lethal.
Claim - almost impossible to confirm directly and a suitable deterrent from actions. It's not a good start, though in fairness, I do see him claiming this as Town if he got it. He could be scum with this role, too (a limited variation I would expect).Warning.
I am a PGO.
I will kill my visitor.
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He flagrantly joins the Aurelian lynch for the sake of being on there. We're early in the day, he has no reason to be resigned to this wagon.Aurelian I am just playing ball with for the sake of getting a lynch.
And I do agree he seems to be playing carefully.
Here is position is that I'm either slipping and letting everyone know Aurelian is Town, or that I'm scum buddies with him. Neither are particularly original, but it's important to note that he states he holds these positions.TMI?
Is he town?
That or I "feel" you are softing a defense here.
Now, with almost no progression in-between (about 30 minutes), he doesn't think I'm soft-defending him, despite just saying he felt it. This serves as a soft defence of Aurelian, ironically enough, because it puts the focus onto the scenario where he is Town.It was strange.
I got more of a TMI feel from it.
But probably cuz I am tunneling him.
Ratchet had no reason to try and soft defend there imo.
This retrolize I think is just m8s irl so he just batting for his boy.
this is gonna look real bad if the agreed upon lynch flips scum btw.
And Imma tunnel you for it.
clearly he already prefliped aerolean or w/e
"I didn't know he would flip scum I don't have TMI"
Useless.
Just let him flip then talk about RDK.
what the.....
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His main push is already gonna flip.
Again.
Look elsewhere
You trying too hard and if aeroelan does flip scum this looks like a strong derailing attempt.
what kekko is doing is not even natural.
He either has TMI and will say.
"See I told you so aurelian was town! lets lynch RDK" or legitimately trying to discredit RDK to not lynch aurelian
I sense an agenda.
I will look into yoshi for instance.
Do not wanna spoil the rest
otherwise you gonna look silly AF.
I think you are risking it because you already know what he gonna flip?
otherwise why risk looking you were trying to derail a scum lynch?
My point is idk if he gonna flip town or not so I am not gonna push the one that started his wagon in case he does flip scum.
Then Imma just look like I was trying to protect one of my m8s.
All of the above is exactly the kind of open-scum tendencies he knows he can get away with. He very clearly seems to carry the expectation that the current wagon is on Scum, yet wants to maintain a degree of ambivalence about it. Speaking of ambivalence, despite stating he believes Ekko has TMI, he more or less maintains throughout that he thinks Ekko is Town.you think you can just push counterwagons to a scum lynch and get away with it?
why so cocky kekko kun
Ratchet Kun why are you interested in what I think kekko is doing?
you think its a good idea for him to derail from aerosomething?
I think kekko is town.
But if aurolean flips scum I will not defend him the next day.
If anyone tries and push him I will allow it cuz he did make himself look sus.
looks like a desperate push to try and save him.
And when I warned him he says that he doesn't care.
Now I see him as having TMI and doesn't care cuz he know that dude gonna flip town.
Kekko wouldn't risk it imho.
I wouldnt
cuz its dumb af.
50/50
This is his response to point I was pushing against him Day 1 (that he was overly concerned about how one is perceived over a scum flip). He wastes no time in trying to frame my argument as an undue defence of Ekko, and fails to adequately address what it is I'm asking.why are you lawyering kekko?
why do you care what I think of him?
I think this quote is pretty interesting, given that he earlier had no real stake in the lynch and was just voting it for the sake of supporting the wagon. Now, he finds a reason to keep his vote there, but there is no real conviction tying him to the wagon. It's important to remember that Scum would have some kind of plan when a mate is being wagoned - some will bus, some will look to sway it elsewhere - they will not all vote as a block together.I am ok with lynching still.
lowkey.
culd be a fake claim.
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Of course, Pein gets off the wagon.lets go for it.
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vote lynch yoshi
Now a defence of Aurelian.what happened to aerolean.
he claimed his role.
stopped the lynch cuz he claimed indie and some believed him.
he is claiming to be able to protect or something.
this is a role scum gonna want out me thinks.
since he might stop them from killing?
With Yoshi having gone nowhere, back on the wagon he goes. There is no logical progression between these posts.
Now he scum reads Aurelian (and Ekko, but in his defence there is reasonable progression there now).besides top wagon
ratchet
poyser
kekko.
Now he finds a fairly arbitrary reason to justify his newfound suspicion. In isolation, the reason isn't bad, but given that he saw the claim and still felt that it was first fake and then a threat to scum, there is no consistency to be tracked here.I have a problem with him saying he wont claim and then claims later.
No conviction.
Wasted people's time.
He probably thought you’d be easy to lynch. Almost nobody defended you before todayTo be perfectly honest I was only looking at beating down his case on me, but I'll check the CP stuff and your stuff too.
The sticking point for me on him now being town is do you think a scum would go to that much effort to start a wagon on me of all people?
Nah as I’ve said I’ve fallen into this exact trap with him before and he was town. It’s very rare I misread him but the couple of times I did was largely down to thinking his anger is fake af and blown out of proportionWhen it's completely disproportionate and an overreaction, I think it could be