Hans Tweetenberg
Exceptional
The speed of this wagon is something else yo
Dalton
Distinguished
I still think the anger isn't alignment indicative when it comes to Lethal.
But you reminded me about the lying part and I don't think its the worst idea to lynch Lethal as his flip will give us heaps of stuff to talk about tomorrow.
Tbf, while you're right that lots of WS guys seem to be omgusing you, its also accurate that that means you have been sussing a lot of WS guys lmao.
People being from WS or not literally never enters my thinking at all. I’ve pushed tweet twice this game lol. I play to win and people buying into that kind of thing is unhelpful to this game because the whole accusation was disingenuous to begin with from a guy that has been twisting facts for the entire game (plus tpein)
Lethal
Exceptional
Yeah I let emotions get the better of me. Now I've chilled, you can see I've attempted to solve with Ultra, Yoshi & Ekko, as well as hitting back at the cases presented by Dragon & ultra on me (Ultra's case looks incredibly forced, piggy backing off of Dragon's).
He's got 4 votes? Feels like open wolfing here.
He looks bad around you, absolutely. I think his building a case on me filled him with an aura of confidence and he's trying to overtly solve the game and looking for things that aren't there. He's sorta mellowing out because you're a lot stronger at knocking people down a few pegs (pun intended).
Same again with CP - he took a silly issue with CP claiming to have stopped all kills last night and made a mountain out of a molehill, due to the aura of confidence from the large case he'd made on me. I'd have to look at the CP case again to see exactly what's happening there (like, is he trying to paint CP in a bad light like he did me) but also not wanting to answer for CP cos he's doing well enough on his own.
Day 2 VC 4
Does it not worry you that, from your pov, he’s completely wrong on everything though? Not only that, but he’s constantly ignoring his cases taking a beating to change the goalposts and continue on the same susses. Doesn’t seem like a very townie progression to me
Lethal
Exceptional
I mean Evans is from WS and started sussing me so this notion that we're supportive of each other is heavily false.
Do some players trust stronger players? 100%. Is it always the best practice? Not quite.
I mean, I'm vibing with Ratchet a lot here and idk if he was ever on WS, he's a WG guy
Do some players trust stronger players? 100%. Is it always the best practice? Not quite.
I mean, I'm vibing with Ratchet a lot here and idk if he was ever on WS, he's a WG guy
RDK
Marvelous
Oh God forbid WS people not voting for each other
Evans
Acclaimed
Also, I'll be heading to work soon and will miss EOD. This is where I'm at.
1. Lethal - I've been pretty comprehensive about my thoughts on Lethal. Check my case to Alco literally 10-20 mins ago.
6. Ekko - Pretty much the same reasons as my last read list. I was under the impression that he wouldn't go to bat for Aurelian like that if he's a scummate but as Haza pointed out, he's crazy enough to probably do it. The throwing shit everywhere he could to derail the wagon at the end was pretty crazy too.
7. Ratchet - I've liked Ratchet's contributions and we seem to be lining up on a lot of thoughts. I'm comfortable with Ratchet as part of my town core.
8. RDK - Nailed Aurelian early. I genuinely don't see Haza bussing a BP and Duelist D1 just to look good.
9. TPein - Whilst I disagree with T-Pein and the WS forming a clique to not vote other WS players because that's mental. I've liked him this game and I think he's been pretty transparent on his reads.
10. Poyser - claimed indie
11. CraigPelton - nothings struck me as scummy from CP or caused me to change my earlier lean. I think the BPD / CP interaction is T/T.
14. Ultra - Didn't look great off the Aurelian flip, I didn't hate his points about Lethal's inventor role not being a clear town role but it's a lot of big talk from him but he hasn't spearheaded any pushes or attempted lynches. His early game play is a red flag for me too. Saying he can't play the game because of the indie claims/talks.
19. Doddsy - Actively seems to be solving and pushing his own directions. Soft lean.
20. Black Legged Dragon - I don't think he goes as hard as he has done if he's scum. It's painted a big target on him. Some of his longer posts case building have struck as me as he believes what he's saying which makes me think he's town
21. Hans Tweetenberg - Still iffy on Tweet, he's improved from his D1 coasting but I don't think it's enough to sway back from a scum lean to town.
1. Lethal - I've been pretty comprehensive about my thoughts on Lethal. Check my case to Alco literally 10-20 mins ago.
6. Ekko - Pretty much the same reasons as my last read list. I was under the impression that he wouldn't go to bat for Aurelian like that if he's a scummate but as Haza pointed out, he's crazy enough to probably do it. The throwing shit everywhere he could to derail the wagon at the end was pretty crazy too.
7. Ratchet - I've liked Ratchet's contributions and we seem to be lining up on a lot of thoughts. I'm comfortable with Ratchet as part of my town core.
8. RDK - Nailed Aurelian early. I genuinely don't see Haza bussing a BP and Duelist D1 just to look good.
9. TPein - Whilst I disagree with T-Pein and the WS forming a clique to not vote other WS players because that's mental. I've liked him this game and I think he's been pretty transparent on his reads.
10. Poyser - claimed indie
11. CraigPelton - nothings struck me as scummy from CP or caused me to change my earlier lean. I think the BPD / CP interaction is T/T.
14. Ultra - Didn't look great off the Aurelian flip, I didn't hate his points about Lethal's inventor role not being a clear town role but it's a lot of big talk from him but he hasn't spearheaded any pushes or attempted lynches. His early game play is a red flag for me too. Saying he can't play the game because of the indie claims/talks.
19. Doddsy - Actively seems to be solving and pushing his own directions. Soft lean.
20. Black Legged Dragon - I don't think he goes as hard as he has done if he's scum. It's painted a big target on him. Some of his longer posts case building have struck as me as he believes what he's saying which makes me think he's town
21. Hans Tweetenberg - Still iffy on Tweet, he's improved from his D1 coasting but I don't think it's enough to sway back from a scum lean to town.
Lethal
Exceptional
To be perfectly honest I was only looking at beating down his case on me, but I'll check the CP stuff and your stuff too.
The sticking point for me on him now being town is do you think a scum would go to that much effort to start a wagon on me of all people?
Evans
Acclaimed
When it's completely disproportionate and an overreaction, I think it could be
Claim - almost impossible to confirm directly and a suitable deterrent from actions. It's not a good start, though in fairness, I do see him claiming this as Town if he got it. He could be scum with this role, too (a limited variation I would expect).Warning.
I am a PGO.
I will kill my visitor.
He flagrantly joins the Aurelian lynch for the sake of being on there. We're early in the day, he has no reason to be resigned to this wagon.
Here is position is that I'm either slipping and letting everyone know Aurelian is Town, or that I'm scum buddies with him. Neither are particularly original, but it's important to note that he states he holds these positions.
Now, with almost no progression in-between (about 30 minutes), he doesn't think I'm soft-defending him, despite just saying he felt it. This serves as a soft defence of Aurelian, ironically enough, because it puts the focus onto the scenario where he is Town.
clearly he already prefliped aerolean or w/e
"I didn't know he would flip scum I don't have TMI"
Useless.
Just let him flip then talk about RDK.
what the.....
All of the above is exactly the kind of open-scum tendencies he knows he can get away with. He very clearly seems to carry the expectation that the current wagon is on Scum, yet wants to maintain a degree of ambivalence about it. Speaking of ambivalence, despite stating he believes Ekko has TMI, he more or less maintains throughout that he thinks Ekko is Town.
I think kekko is town.
But if aurolean flips scum I will not defend him the next day.
If anyone tries and push him I will allow it cuz he did make himself look sus.
looks like a desperate push to try and save him.
And when I warned him he says that he doesn't care.
Now I see him as having TMI and doesn't care cuz he know that dude gonna flip town.
Kekko wouldn't risk it imho.
I wouldnt
cuz its dumb af.
50/50
This is his response to point I was pushing against him Day 1 (that he was overly concerned about how one is perceived over a scum flip). He wastes no time in trying to frame my argument as an undue defence of Ekko, and fails to adequately address what it is I'm asking.
I think this quote is pretty interesting, given that he earlier had no real stake in the lynch and was just voting it for the sake of supporting the wagon. Now, he finds a reason to keep his vote there, but there is no real conviction tying him to the wagon. It's important to remember that Scum would have some kind of plan when a mate is being wagoned - some will bus, some will look to sway it elsewhere - they will not all vote as a block together.
Of course, Pein gets off the wagon.lets go for it.
vote lynch yoshi
Now a defence of Aurelian.
With Yoshi having gone nowhere, back on the wagon he goes. There is no logical progression between these posts.
Now he scum reads Aurelian (and Ekko, but in his defence there is reasonable progression there now).
Now he finds a fairly arbitrary reason to justify his newfound suspicion. In isolation, the reason isn't bad, but given that he saw the claim and still felt that it was first fake and then a threat to scum, there is no consistency to be tracked here.
I think it's pretty evident that his thought process is all over the place and he was more interested in positioning himself for after the flip. Couple this with his few interactions with Ultra being all over the place (Ultra goes from stating he wouldn't lynch T-Pein D1 because he's funny (which strikes me as scum wanting to interact with a mate coyly), to scum reading him, and there is no clear reason as to why this is) and how he hasn't done any pushing on Ekko today and I think the motives have been laid bare. I will acknowledge that T-Pein often plays similar to this but here there is an angle where he is benefitting from it, in other words, a plausible agenda, and he shouldn't get a pass for scummy play besides. If I had the ability to wagon him, I'd be voting here, but I don't know if we have the time.
My one little nagging doubt with lethal now is that his play this phase does kinda strike me as someone that took some advice to calm down, stop OMGUSing and focus elsewhere. It has been an entire night IRL so could easily be genuine but idk that’s just the impression I got. I’m not sure where the “BPD is town” conclusion came from
He probably thought you’d be easy to lynch. Almost nobody defended you before today
Nah as I’ve said I’ve fallen into this exact trap with him before and he was town. It’s very rare I misread him but the couple of times I did was largely down to thinking his anger is fake af and blown out of proportion