Fate/Mafia - Game Thread

[Ultra]

Interesting. Don't you however think that scum Grammaton would distance more from Joygirl if they were scum together?

You really can't distance with a slot like Joygirl's without also risking breaking her like an egg, a nod in her direction could easily result in a wagon. She also was mostly in the background. If he can bolster a weaker team mates credibility and keep them out of the limelight, he would. He professes that he wouldn't instruct JG to town read him, which is probably true, but it's not like he's in direct control of her actions anyway. That said, it's possible they're not scum/scum, but it's harder to believe not one of them is

 

[Natalija]

It is?
Could you maybe map out how you work this out, beyond base probability that in 4 players, its a decent chance at least 1 is scum?

I mean probability is all you ever need for it. But also there's no way that many players enter the day with such votes and all of them being townie. Some of them are for sure performative.

If you look at the Powerpuff Girls (Kultaliet), who do you feel like is not genuine? Just Ultra?

 

[Ultra]

So ... wheres the likelihood hes lynched then?

If he maintained his thread position, pretty decent

 

[Grammaton]

You really can't distance with a slot like Joygirl's without also risking breaking her like an egg, a nod in her direction could easily result in a wagon. She also was mostly in the background. If he can bolster a weaker team mates credibility and keep them out of the limelight, he would. He professes that he wouldn't instruct JG to town read him, which is probably true, but it's not like he's in direct control of her actions anyway. That said, it's possible they're not scum/scum, but it's harder to believe not one of them is

So you think the best way to do this is to give them, what is in your eyes, a blatantly unearned townread I cant justify, and then just ignore everything they do?

 

[Natalija]

I want to see reasons on why you are scum reading the players and you can't just give a list of names.

Spidey senses.

 

[Lord Melkor]

Gram’s EoD









Gram's end of day dance comes off as extremely insincere - the introduction of the possibility that I am preflipping T is apparently worthy enough for him to pause for consideration, but he has 0 follow up to this thought. He asks me rhetorically what he's doing here as if it's completely obvious, and I believe what he's trying to insinuate is that he's allowing more time for discussion/for him to claim.

There are a couple of major problems I have with this:

- His unvote is directly paired with an insinuation that I’m scum. Not “I need more time to think on this or to hear out arguments”. He knows there's really only one possible outcome of this retreat that isn’t T getting lynched, but he’s posturing as if he was totally not taking his finger off the scale after realizing I could possibly go over.

- The introduction of some tinfoil that I have TMI is suddenly worthy of pausing for consideration when he’s been townreading me and strongly scum reading T. This comes off as rather apathetic, I don’t think he’s invested in who goes here either way, in spite of his stated insistence on T.

- He showed very little interest in giving tangible conditional reads at the end of the day, and answered my question with a question:





He gives a vague and non-committal response to both cases, and then shifts the burden on to me to answer questions, after already having accused me of pre-flipping. Which is essentially asking me to dig my own hole.

My last point, and I think this is the biggest gripe I have - I think there's a refusal to consider, from my perspective, what entertaining T as town actually does to benefit me, and him giving credibility to the argument that I’m preflipping is showing a lower level of town discretion than I would expect.

If I am scum stuck in a corner with T-Pein, why on earth do I start insinuating he might flip town and what the consequences of that situation are? Forget about setting the board for tomorrow - my goal here is to escape a lynch.

The irony is the implication of "preflipping" is that I'm trying to set up mislynches for the following day, but that seems more in line with what Gram is doing with this accusation.

How late into the phase did you say that T-Pein will flip town?

 

[Natalija]

Can I ask what happened with Pein in a nutshell?

 

[Grammaton]

If he maintained his thread position, pretty decent

Well no, cause when I came back to the game the following day, it was you not he in jeopardy - given that you yourself am arguing I saw an opportunity to swing to you EOD1 rather than just tunnelling tpein to death, this is yet another point thats pretty easily dismissed, dont you think?

 

[Ultra]

How late into the phase did you say that T-Pein will flip town?

I was entertaining what would happen *hypothetically* a couple hours before eod

 

[Lord Melkor]

lol I freaking voted T-Pein in the end so I was barely "sheeping" him. All that stuff you asked me was already answered in previous posts and I´m tired to repeat myself for players who don´t want to read them.
All you are currently doing is some weak OMGUS on me.

Do you all think Ekko was a random kill or do you see that he was killed for other reasons? His main suspect seemed to be Cubey.

Ekko, his weirdness aside, is a good player. I can see a lot of people choosing him as kill.

Do you have any opinion about Cubey yourself?

 

[Kurumi]

You really can't distance with a slot like Joygirl's without also risking breaking her like an egg, a nod in her direction could easily result in a wagon. She also was mostly in the background. If he can bolster a weaker team mates credibility and keep them out of the limelight, he would. He professes that he wouldn't instruct JG to town read him, which is probably true, but it's not like he's in direct control of her actions anyway. That said, it's possible they're not scum/scum, but it's harder to believe not one of them is

Completely false assumptions. As I already mentioned somewhere in this thread and as you can read in the Fruit Mafia game on WG Ekko and I were bussing each other pretty hard there. Don´t know where you think you´ve gotten any knowledge about my scum game from. Should have really broken your balls yesterday instead of switching to T-Pein.

 

[Grammaton]

Can I ask what happened with Pein in a nutshell?

He was more bothered by making people look 'hella silly' than actually playing the game

Good riddance, id do the same 100 times over

 

[Juliet]

How is saying I don't have to talk to you the same as not solving you properly? I don't typically talk to people, I mostly make observations about their play and just blurt em out into the thread without adressing them directly, that doesn't mean it's not genuine solving.

From my pov when I saw the reasoning for your read on me it looked scummy and I saw it odd you didn't want to engage me and even bother on figuring me out and to me it felt like scum just wanted to place their vote down and call it a day.

 

[Kurumi]

I mean probability is all you ever need for it. But also there's no way that many players enter the day with such votes and all of them being townie. Some of them are for sure performative.

If you look at the Powerpuff Girls (Kultaliet), who do you feel like is not genuine? Just Ultra?

Dafuq? Never knew you were such a jokester, Nat

 

[Juliet]

I noticed some of the pages here are being skipped and I'm missing out on some of the recent pages.

 

[Natalija]

But @Juliet what I like about you now is that I think you hide more as scum, and here you're at least head on

 

[TSworder]

Can I ask what happened with Pein in a nutshell?

He had 6 votes on him when he joined the thread- after 15 minutes or so he gained 4 more votes and than he hammered himself

 

[Grammaton]

I mean probability is all you ever need for it. But also there's no way that many players enter the day with such votes and all of them being townie. Some of them are for sure performative.

If you look at the Powerpuff Girls (Kultaliet), who do you feel like is not genuine? Just Ultra?

Theres nothing here worth responding too, no disrespect intended

If you want to make specific cases on the people involved, me included, and have a conversation abo0ut them, sure, but im not indulging 'heres 4 players arguing, DISCUSS'

 

[Cubey]

@Ratchet

Activate Duel on DROOLian.

Fang, I've caught the GF posts in, why should I fear you? I'll vig you tonight while getting the rest of your team today.

I've caught the GF posts into this game.

I'm actually curious what you think is worthy enough for me to seriously address? It seems like your tone has changed a bit in this post compared to your other replies to me.

Go Fang, Evans, and Dofla for way too early wolf team.

So basically the gist of my argument follows from this series of posts where BPD baits Fang and then gets into an extended argument with him. I think it's either quite the bus (if only one-sided, cuz Fang wasnt having any of it) or it's a townie tunneling. He points out that Ekko, Ultra and Fang all jokingly claimed to be mafia together (idk, too lazy to check right now) but now that Ekko turned out to be either town or indie, there's no way in hell that's true. I'm inclined to put BPD safely on my town list, and Ultra, acting the way he is, as an obvious Jester

Thoughts?

 

[Natalija]

Theres nothing here worth responding too, no disrespect intended

If you want to make specific cases on the people involved, me included, and have a conversation abo0ut them, sure, but im not indulging 'heres 4 players arguing, DISCUSS'

I dunno why you even felt the need to respond then