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It's not suspicious. You literally a few posts ago just conceded the point it's perfectly within Ratchet's scum meta to buss his teammates to Ultra. If you think I'm aligned with Craig and Watson, and I refuse to claim, and flip town, what then?
…. Distancing?
He claimed ascetic because he was ascetic. He wasn’t backed into a corner at all, because he knew there couldn’t possibly be any kind of result on him whether Aurelian is aligned with him or not
Uh
Well, generally speaking, when scum come up with plots, there's usually some tangible benefit to them in a way that's not really hard to understand. Bussing or distancing, for example.
I'm not sure what purpose this serves to fake, and you're not really giving a compelling answer
Lmao what a hypothetical
The benefit is it makes Aurelian look town lol? He presumably is planning to claim his role and also needs usage to claim and if he claims using it on a scum mate that he knows is ascetic and can explain away any no result then it also happens to be half decent distancing
Do you think you can pressure me to claim? Think, Poyser, think. Why would I target Craig and reveal it as soon as my earliest posts in day 2?
Don’t know don’t care
You should definitely care
If you want a truthful answer, then if you’re town, the reason you felt the need to claim having a role that’s informative and claim using it on cp all because you got a “no result” is that you’re an idiot
Bachi
Distinguished
-HELLO MHA, ITS YA RADIO HOST-
I WILL BE VOTING FANG THIS DAY PHASE, THINK THAT HIS SYNERGY WITH BOTH CRAIG AND WATSON IS TO BIG TO IGNORE
LETS START WITH THESE TOWN READS FROM WATSON,
+AURELIANS ENTIRE ACTIVITY WITH TEMPEST LOOKS FAKE TO ME, THEY WERE BOTH MULTIPLE TIME IN THE THREAD AT THE SAME TIME AND REFUSED TO DISCUSS THAT MECH, I MEAN YEAH FANG QUESTIONED CP, BUT THERE WAS NO PRESSURE THERE AT ALL.
VOTE LYNCH AURELIAN
-LETS GO MHA-
I WILL BE VOTING FANG THIS DAY PHASE, THINK THAT HIS SYNERGY WITH BOTH CRAIG AND WATSON IS TO BIG TO IGNORE
LETS START WITH THESE TOWN READS FROM WATSON,
YEAH YOU`RE TOWN ON PAGE 10, AND SHE KEEPS THIS READ TILL HER DEATH, BUT LETS SEE THE PROGRESSION
CP ASKING WATSON ABOUT HER READ, CREATING SOME ¦ACTIVITY¦ I MEAN IT IS OBVIOUS WHO WATSON WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE.
THIS IS THE CONVERSATION...
NOW LETS MOVE ON, IN THIS POST, WATSON TRIES TO CONVINCE CUBEY THAT FANG IS TOWN, THE REASON IS ¦EACH PHASE IS CEMENTING HIM AS BEING SUCH FOR ME PERSONALLY¦ THIS IS NOT RLY A REASON, AND ITS SO BASIC+ LIKE YEAH DUH, CRAIG AND ME AGREED THAT AUREALIAN IS TOWN IN OUR 2 POSTS INTERACTIONS, AND HE IS TOWN...
+AURELIANS ENTIRE ACTIVITY WITH TEMPEST LOOKS FAKE TO ME, THEY WERE BOTH MULTIPLE TIME IN THE THREAD AT THE SAME TIME AND REFUSED TO DISCUSS THAT MECH, I MEAN YEAH FANG QUESTIONED CP, BUT THERE WAS NO PRESSURE THERE AT ALL.
VOTE LYNCH AURELIAN
-LETS GO MHA-
What about their interaction points to this.
Aurelian hard town read him, asked if CP did anything, CP ducked most of the day, and then Aurelian was confused about why he ducked the question
Think this clears the threshold of the theatrics Aurelian is capable of. Nothing in this screams TMI, and the whole plot is too elaborate without clear payoff.
If CP is getting bussed/setting up a team mate to look good I would think it look a little more transparent, this is gymnastics
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
I am aware that this is sort of WIFOM territory, but this post makes me doubt Ekko is aligned with Tempest.
That is because I find it hard to see this making a lot of sense to do through a scum lense - though I am aware that for that reason alone it is a reason why he would do it as scum, to attempt to disassociate.
Before that though, I'd like to go through some of my thoughts around Ekko, good and bad.
Through the day I was iffy on Ekko due to him appearing to be very nervous and wishy-washy in his posts, in addition to that I found him unvoting Tempest when he did with close to EoD to be a bit interesting to me;
In a vaccuum this is fine, asking for reads is completely reasonable and a good resource to look into. But in this context I find the timing a bit weird, especially considering that at this point in time the consensus had been made and a hammer was called for.
To give a bad faith argument this could be viewed as an attempt to save his teammate with a no-lynch, as I doubt he would have any hopes of trying to convince the masses to hammer someone else at this point.
As evidence to support this argument is this post where he seems to be in the works of diverging the wagon;
He did not in the end "cook" anything however. So I can't with good faith say he did go through with a diversion attempt.
But to further give bad faith this post seems to go against the last post he made in the day (first quote of the post)
Though in this scenario, even if Ekko was in cahoots with Tempest, he would not have the luxury of defending Tempest either way.
Now, I am going to say that what I have presented thus far does not convince me that Ekko is in fact aligned with Tempest.
Because even looking at these things through bad faith I can't say it holds much water.
And in contrast, I feel he does have some good posts that doesn't need to be scrutinized.
Ekko came back into the game some time later after his very questionable performance that I adressed in an earlier post.
Looking at his ISO the most recent Ekko has been very calm and collected, so as for vibes I think he also checks out. That is in spite of Ekko's past tendency to be chaotic and highly energetic, however I am under the understanding that Ekko has entered a new phase of his life and this change of approach is linked to this.
So TL;DR for people like @Ultra; In spite of intentionally looking at Ekko in bad faith, I find it very unlikely that he is aligned with Tempest - therefore I believe he is Town.
Now that I have concluded Ekko is Town, I want to bring to light that yet another town (along with @Flower, Myself and possible others that I may have missed) has been continually victim to @Gadministraitor attempting to frame, bad faith and assoicate them to the Mafia team.
Interestingly enough, Tempest reacted Sus to Ekko's post - and just a little before he had this to say;
I played with Tempest (AKA Craig Pelton) as scum once, though admittedly my performance that game was subpar to say the very least, and I found him to be a very good team player.
This is a very clear defense of GAD, I don't believe Gad was in danger of getting Lynched at this point in time, but rather a "distraction".
If for some reason Tempest did not get lynched today, I believe that this post could be brushed off as a town trying to instill direction in the masses - but as things turned out I believe that this is VERY damning against Gad.
My working theory is that this was a risky play by Craig which unfortunately backfired.
But, to present a plausible alternative scenario where Gad is town (however unlikely I find it to be), I would say that the post Tempest made is still like I said very damning against Gad - and that is by design, so that there is an easy mislynch set up.
Gad has been on the radar of quite a few players, Tempest knew this and threw out bait for town, and he knew that we would very likely bite.
But, I got to admit, despite giving Gad the benefit of doubt over and over, he only responds in bad faith and is working with a malicious agenda.
I also noted that his arguments in response to Flower was not a town PoV, I have complete understanding and respect for not wanting to claim willy nilly, as it is a slippery slope.
However I have to say, whether you agree or disagree, like or dislike Flower's plan of attack to ask Gad for a claim - it does not matter.
What matter is his choice of words, his articulated defense and his handling of the situation. I would ask @Poyser in particular to take a look at the spoiler below, due to your stance in your entrance that you were not going to vote Gad.
Take a look;
Gad makes the argument that in the case of Flower having a result, she should reveal it first before he claims anything.
Irrelevant but I saw this as I was finding the receipts, but I found this very funny in context since I encouraged you to pick a 3rd GTH and low and behold he flipped scum
First of all he automatically assumes I am trying to make a case on him while in reality I was calling him out for his choice of words, in other words, bad faith.
He says Nibel is town in this post, but Flower points this out;
Here's the receipt, Flower is right;
I'll show the interaction between Gad and myself to point out some things, but hopefully they speak for themselves.
Here he is once again working under the assumption that I am out to get him - I never said not claiming to be bad - this is his "interpretation"
I point out that what he is trying to do is to devalue the information Flower has
He doubles down that naturally Flower who has information has to claim first.
I went on the offensive with my first statement here, attacking his choice of words. This was intentional.
Also in hindsight, nobody, flower included, has revealed or hinted at the nature of her mech - yet he chooses to say "Flower wasn't bluffing" - I find that very interesting.
What sort of assumtions are made here to say she wasn't bluffing, I find it unlikely that this is adressing the idea of Flower having mech at all.
It is admittedly very late at night, but what is also clear is that;
He went and left as he found he didn't have a good ground to stand on.
As I view it, this was a convenient escape - he never relented or gave my argument a due consideration at any point throughout the entire interaction.
I believe that if he was town he would at the very least acknowledge my point of view, yet all that happened here is doubling down and and walking around the issue.
To round things out I will add a more recent interaction between Gad and myself (and a tiny bit of Ultra), just to highlight.
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I must say I am quite flummoxed by Gad's plan of attack, he accuses me of lurking and actively and purposefully not participating in the Tempest wagon when it was "relevant".
He does not substanicate the claim, and furthermore that is an EXTREMELY opportunistic angle.
This is essentially as Flower also pointed out, a blatant attempt to sell a narrative that I am aligned with Tempest.
What does lurking and dodging the thread essentially mean? It essentially mean I have TMI, in the sense that I know things I shouldn't know assuming I didn't read.
There is nothing in my post that could possibly ping someone that I am coming from an informed angle.
I don't think there is any sound reasons why as scum I would "mindlessly" vote my teammate in response to a mass tag by Ultra without having probable cause to vote.
Could you argue that me sheeping Ultra is a bad play? Sure, I wouldn't fight that too hard, but I would say that if you look at the context that my vote is not contradicting my stance, play or anything.
I did put in the quote where I essentially listed my basis for the vote - and I would like to see a sound, relevant and probable argument to counter.
I could probably dig up more, but I've already written a whole holy scripture at this point, and I am under no illusion that anyone actually is going to read everything in my post.
TL;DR #2 - I've put up interactions between mainly Gad and myself, with some commentary alongside it, but it is clear that Gad has nefarious intentions. In my first big post I quoted Gad where I pointed out that his argument vs flower was not a very good one, he went full defense mode and worked the assumption that I was teaming with Flower to make a case and get him. This trend seems to continue, he is by default presenting things through a bad faith lense while sternly denying that he does. For more details, read the quotes at the very least.
In conclusion I find Gad extremely likely to be Mafia.
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While I am missing a response from @hime in regards to the reads list I had some questions to, I am finding myself believeing Hime is in utmost likelyhood Town, that is by the fact alone that she was willing to Hammer Tempest.
I think also by this point it should be obvious that Ultra and Ekko are hard town, I would say Ratchet too. I am saying these names because they were names I recall seeing being somewhat distrusted by consensus.
I still believe I am very right on @Flower being hard town as well, her playing an active role in today's lynch (I can't speak for D1), counter claim and more - So if anyone really disagrees with me here I want to hear a very good argument backed with receipts.
For me I thought it was very obvious from a quick Iso of Reloaded (that was the very first thing I did when I subbed) that Relo TMI cleared Flower.
I never got why Hime sussed Ultra, but I thought the post he made early in the phase was a dead giveaway to him being town.
In addition to above mentioned, I believe Poyser is very likely Town. While I didn't like the reason he wrote off the Gad wagon when he entered, I believe it was from a Town PoV, especially in hindsight with how he played later on.
I appreciated that he was approachable and appeared to be receptive to change his mind in a very honest way.
If by any terrible twist of fate Poyser was scum here, I must say I am both extremely impressed and become very afraid of him - so I'm not even going to humor it.
Within the null territory I have RDK, Watson, Nibel and Aurelian.
I will admit that Watson and Nibel are there because I've seen them being mentioned a lot as scum leans, but I have not gotten much information from or about them.
The only thing I remember Watson saying summarizes to "Men are unsavory creatures", I don't recall seeing anything of substance from them, and at the time of writing this post, I've spent too much time writing this post so I cba checking. But, based on assumptions, I don't think I'll find much worth while.
Same goes for nibel, except nothing he has said has caught my attention. He just seems to be there.
As for Aurelian, I read some of his posts, but I just couldn't find myself vibing nor being able to empathise with his post. That being said, he is in the backburner, he has not entered my conscious mind at this point in time.
RDK, allegedly he started the D1 wagon on Relo who flipped mafia, I am not so sure he is neccesarily aligned with Relo/ Tempest, I am definitely not in any position to argue against.
The thing is, I do not have the impression that RDK is actually doing much this game, he seems to just pop in now and then to remind us of his existence.
It was mentioned that RDK had absolute minimal interaction with Tempest, and generally was avoiding that whole thing from start to finish.
I have him in null because I am conflicted about this slot, I don't see why RDK would initiate a wagon on his teammate D1 as it is bad sportsmanship in my opinion - however - this is a game of deceit and deception.
For that reason I cannot confidently excuse RDK for his wagon, as it could very well be a sacrificial gambit in order to gain points with town.
^ for this to be the case I would assume the scum team knew early on that Reloaded was likely going to be endangered and Reloaded agreed to this play to take one for the team.
I am however missing context for how and when the wagon was made which could be the make or break in this case.
It is also entirely plausible that RDK could be Arso/ SK in the case that there is one in the game - there was no 2nd kill N1 so I can't be confident that there is a Kill All in the game (at the time of writing this).
For scum not too much has changed;
Gad, Cubey, Bachi
Gad - See above.
Cubey - Despite them responding to Ultra's call to arms, I am not able to properly articulate or identify exactly what it is, but their approach to the game just makes my scumdar go off the charts, I'll however try to lay out my thoughts.
Initially Flower gave Cubey a townread for making her laugh, which is NAI, but their post in this phase has been very weak and appears to be highly artificial to me, even the "funny" posts felt fake to me.
I don't think they've done anything worth of note to give them any credibility to be town.
What I am about to present might be quite a reach, but hear me out; He made a comment that he had already won, now you might say that sounds very innocent and perhaps I am looking way too deep into it, but this comment is very weird to me.
Particularly because specifically worded himself with "I have", now that is a very minor and trifling detail, but it made me think why is he exclusively saying he won?
What is the mentality town have to have to declare sole victory, unpromted and without any relevant context?
To put it on the edge, Town's goal is to work for the greater good of the collective - while the goal of the anti-town is to overcome insurmountable odds to survive no matter the cost.
Therefore I believe that it is in a way him goading town declaring he intends to have the last laugh.
But, again, I am well aware this is an extreme reach to say the least - won't argue against that, but I will say that paired with overall performance I don't think it is too improbable that it is an indication.
His reads were.. something. Flower was hard town, Gram was solid town, and Aurelian as null - nothing more, nothing less.
He gave arguably the safest town reads he could have, and name dropped Aurelian because....???
Looking at his ISO I will give him credit for voting on Gad and Tempest, however, he never reasoned why he made those votes, and there is no indication otherwise.
His vote on Tempest was one where he relented, he was not happy to place that vote.
Also, this may or may not be NAI, but he also claimed that he would contribute more D2, but again his contribution has been minimal and when he has showed up it appears to be solely for the purpose of appearing to be participating.
Bachi - This is mostly because of his interactions with Ekko and Ratchet, especially with the hindsight of Tempest flip.
First of all he was attacking Ratchet because he had him scum by association of Ekko being scum - mind you this is his assumption.
Now, the reason why what he did is scummy is how he tackled the situation, he was willing to attack and push Ratchet before Ekko. This does not make much sense, if Ratchet is scum by association, then you would obviously want to attack the root first, no?
Ratchet (obviously) and myself pointed out that it was quite weird of him how he chose to prioritize.
His defense was that Ratchet was online and active so he could actually fight Ratchet head on - and I'll relent, this is an honest approach - but I wouldn't say this strongly affects my impression because when I asked the hypothetical "well if you got Ratchet lynched and he flipped town, would Ekko then be exonerated?" to which he promptly replied with a no, ekko would still be on the table.
That further confuses me, if he is aware that in the hypothetical flipping town Ratchet based on the assumption that he was asssociated with Ekko wouldn't clear Ekko at all - why would he in his town mind double down on this stance?
While it is smeared in your face, this is clearly setting the stage for 2 possible lynches. And As I mentioned before, I have both Ekko and Ratchet as hard town in lieu of the flip, so this would mean he was planting the seeds of 2 mislynches.
Therefore, I believe he is a person of interest.
for @Ultra, here is your simplified version;
True Heroes - Flower, Ultra, Ekko, Ratchet
Strong town - Grammaton
Most probably town - Hime, Poyser
Conflicted - RDK, Aurelian, Watson, Nibel
League of Villains - Gad, Bachi, Cubey
Those who has not been named has not entered my conscious awareness, assumed town fodder with all due respect.
This requires significantly more assumptions than the default scenario where he's town
MangoSenpai
King of Conquerors
I pre wrote this so, ofc 2 of my towns died..
TL DR you voted with flipped scum to lynch Ekko
Your input is worthless
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