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To Aru Majutsu No Index Feats/Discussion/Analysis Thread - Touma's Boogaloo Edition

Astaro

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- GT6 afterword

The only reason they died was because they're indecisive and didn't use their "one and only card", i.e. Risk 4.


- NT10
And then contradicted where it’s confined that yes, they all were in fact destroyed by Othinus when she remade the world
 

Paxton

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And then contradicted where it’s confined that yes, they all were in fact destroyed by Othinus when she remade the world
"They’re so reluctant to play their one and only card that they were even caught in Othinus’s destruction of the world and killed."


Because they literally let it happen.
 

Paxton

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We’ve seen a full power Coronzon which is enough to guesstimate
Full power Coronzon = Full power Aiwass

Full power Aiwass is stated to be > true Gremlin

Avatar Coronzon (who you think is equal to her self in the Abyss) only fights on the level of nerfed MGs.


Make it make sense.
 

Paxton

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We've never seen a full power Coronzon in the surface world because that's literally impossible.

She has to lower her soul level to even enter it to begin with.
 

Astaro

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Full power Coronzon = Full power Aiwass
Sure
Full power Aiwass is stated to be > true Gremlin
Once Aleister is finished working on him, and even then it’s questionable between the Magic God’s own opinion on him and how Aleister’s plan to kill the Magic Gods rode on them 1) nerfing themselves by deliberately forcing them out of their world and 2) than nerfing them harder.
Avatar Coronzon (who you think is equal to her self in the Abyss) only fights on the level of nerfed MGs.
As she herself stated, she’s at her full power in the Surface world with a human avatar
Make it make sense.
Yup

"They’re so reluctant to play their one and only card that they were even caught in Othinus’s destruction of the world and killed."


Because they literally let it happen.
Meaning they can’t just straight up take her attacks eirher which is not the least bit surprising given they go down to much less than what it takes to kill a Magic God too
 

Astaro

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We've never seen a full power Coronzon in the surface world because that's literally impossible.

She has to lower her soul level to even enter it to begin with.
Wrong and again with the forced headcanon

"Don't make me laugh. You are no more than exposed energy without an avatar. That much is clear from the fact that you borrowed his wife's body when giving him the Book of the Law. Just like me, you should only be able to wield your full power when you possess an avatar.
 

Paxton

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So Aleister's plan wasn't going to work to begin with, because full power Aiwass is actually weaker than true Gremlin?
 

Astaro

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Nope and it makes sense since he relied on putting the Magic Gods in a position where they willingly weakened themselves and then weakened them further

That was his plan to defeat them
 

Astaro

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I got no problem making sense of it. True Gremlin is the pinnacle of the verse and the story required them to be nerfed to be beaten
 

Paxton

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I got no problem making sense of it. True Gremlin is the pinnacle of the verse and the story required them to be nerfed to be beaten
How can they be the pinnacle despite numerous statements saying otherwise?
 

Paxton

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no one can be at the very pinnacle when everyone has conflicting statements and feats
 

Astaro

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How can they be the pinnacle despite numerous statements saying otherwise?
Because they back it up both in feats and who they’ve fought while nerfed.

So far, only Dragon King Touma, CRC, Alice, and Anna Kingsford can be argued to maybe match them
 

Paxton

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Because they back it up both in feats and who they’ve fought while nerfed.

So far, only Dragon King Touma, CRC, Alice, and Anna Kingsford can be argued to maybe match them
What feats?

Othinus (and true Gremlin who are supposedly above her) can only destroy the surface world (or what's in it), but, as you yourself have admitted, imitations of phase beings can do just that as well.




Who did they fight while nerfed?

Each other while nerfed? Coronzon in her avatar? Accelerator?
All of these characters are literal fodder to the four people you mentioned.


If they were stronger than Coronzon in the Abyss they would have acquired the knowledge beyond the Abyss on top of their Magic God stuff.
 

Paxton

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Magic Gods themselves and the narration have admitted inferiority of theirs to others on more than one occasion.

I can't in good faith just ignore all these statements.
 

Astaro

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Here’s one.

Othinus: Took a spell by two Top Tier Magicians designed to kill the very concept of her status as a god to make her into a powerless fairy and laughed it off.

Aradia: Gets all her powers sealed by Touma duct taping her hands and feet.

Good Old Mary: Can reconstruct and resurrect even a dead corpse but only after a few times since she can’t with bodies that have lost too much blood

Othinus: Casually brings back and changes the destiny of every long dead character

I can go on
 
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Paxton

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Here’s one.

Othinus: Took a spell by two Top Tier Magicians designed to kill the very concept of her status as a god to make her into a powerless fairy and laughed it off.

Aradia: Gets all her powers sealed by Touma duct taping her hands and feet.

Good Old Mary: Can reconstruct even a dead corpse but only after a few times since she can’t with bodies that have lost too much blood

Othinus: Casually brings back and changes the destiny of every long dead character

I can go on
Despite all of this, Othinus herself admits inferiority to Anna Sprengel, Aiwass, and other Risk 4 Transcendents by proxy.
The narration of GT6's afterword and the chant of Risk 4 supports this as well.


Clearly, the status of a Magic God isn't all it's chalked up to be, considering that we know positions above it exist and that mere imitations of phase beings can do the same feat of destroying everything in the surface world.


It's almost like knowledge/magical skill matters the most in this series or something.
 
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