I hadn't really been worried about Ultra until this interaction but it was just so inherently untowny.
He tries to discredit a player entirely instead of actually showing any interest in their play.
As town you would want to encourage activity and input from everyone but here he basically attempts to destroy rugrats growing thread presence in a hostile manner.
I missed a quote here but he tells Rugrat to "go back to lurkerland"
Not only is this not a pro-town thing to say, it's actually also bad because it kind of validates rugrats feelings as being real and not coming from a place of scum.
If he hates what rugrat is doing enough to tell him to fuck off, why isn't he probing him on it or suspecting him for it?
You asked me "WhY aRe YoU fOcUsInG oN jUsT mY fIrSt FeW hOuRs Of PlAy"? When that was in fact the entire sum of your play up until a couple of hours ago.
What else am I supposed to fucking do read tarot cards?
Local man with no contributions asks for reads list, news at 11
You're transparently ass blasted.
I'm not going to ask questions to a brick fucking wall. You were Gone. Simple explanation. This only makes sense as a contradiction in your head as you grasp for something to bludgeon me with so I shit up.
This is also why I'm not giving you a reads list. I normally don't mind being transparent, but I get the impression you're trying to redirect my energy. It's not exactly like I haven't given reads on at least half the players in the game through just my play, so if you're really burning with curiosity, feel free to ISO me.
I don't have my dick in my hand, I have *yours*. It's over for you scum boy.
Ah yes, my mistake, I should have queued a question about one of your many riveting insights and waited in heated anticipation for you thesis on why it's too early to read lethal as town or whatever
If he's suggest you're scum I wouldn't be as worried about it, did you feel like he was actually ready to push you for it?He did exactly the same with me Day 1 too. He kept asking everyone their thoughts about me but never addressed me directly. When I returned and interacted, he didn't have any questions or game related content to ask me about regarding my play but kept making aggressive comments and suggesting I was unconfident scum.
I've even asked someone like Craig and Poyser to build a case on me. Let me defend myself. Let me answer questions. Let me help understand any suss moments. But I get told that I've been sloppy and slimy all game and all the 'raisins' are already in the thread.
If he's suggest you're scum I wouldn't be as worried about it, did you feel like he was actually ready to push you for it?
With rugrat it just looked like an attempt to discredit but I didn't think he ever actually looked suspicious of rugrat which is what I found strange.
I'm gonna go read back a bit
Worst part about this was Rugrat was voting retro and not ultra so the kind of triggered responses he was given are bizarre as fuck. Unless ultra knows retro’s alignment ofc lol. He showed no curiosity whatsoeverI hadn't really been worried about Ultra until this interaction but it was just so inherently untowny.
He tries to discredit a player entirely instead of actually showing any interest in their play.
As town you would want to encourage activity and input from everyone but here he basically attempts to destroy rugrats growing thread presence in a hostile manner.
I missed a quote here but he tells Rugrat to "go back to lurkerland"
Not only is this not a pro-town thing to say, it's actually also bad because it kind of validates rugrats feelings as being real and not coming from a place of scum.
If he hates what rugrat is doing enough to tell him to fuck off, why isn't he probing him on it or suspecting him for it?
Reads list from Day 1.Town
Ekko
Ratchet
RDK
Town-lite
Hans Tweetenberg
Dalton
Yoshi
Alco
Null
CraigPelton
Arp Bladstrum
Lethal
Retrolize
Soul
Doddsy
Scum
Phenom
TPein
Evans
I just summarised it to evans but ideally I do wanna back it up with actual quotes yeah but the bulk of it is the same@Poyser your case on Dragon is coming, yeah? Cos he was mega goading you (and CP) into doing so
Yeah was a real weird one. Was so much time in between his pressure and the claim too so definitely enough time for his team to weigh in. I’d say the simplest answer is that Aurelian just decided to disregard the advice?It also just occurred to me, why didn't Aurelia just claim Bodyguard lol. I certainly would have just told him to claim bodyguard and I think there are a handful of people here I'd expect to have done the same.
If he's suggest you're scum I wouldn't be as worried about it, did you feel like he was actually ready to push you for it?
With rugrat it just looked like an attempt to discredit but I didn't think he ever actually looked suspicious of rugrat which is what I found strange.
I'm gonna go read back a bit
Wait I was on his scum list?! I gotta go see if i had even posted because lmaoReads list from Day 1.
We have both built cases on him that he read he’s being disingenuous here and acting like we had nothing. We had plenty, we just didn’t drop it all into one post@Poyser your case on Dragon is coming, yeah? Cos he was mega goading you (and CP) into doing so
Do let me know actually, I was surprised to see you on there and not, say, Null or something.Wait I was on his scum list?! I gotta go see if i had even posted because lmao
Because his progression shows a clear agenda. Multiple times he has decided he wants to push someone, twisted facts to fit his narrative and then ignored any new info in order to keep pushing. Like he started out the day by trying to paint me as a wolf that tried to save Aurelian and even went as far as to quote an old vote count that was posted much earlier in day ti “prove that”. He got torn to shreds and then pivoted to it doesn’t matter where I ended up because the point is I tried to get votes away from him. Not once did he address multiple people bringing up the fact that I also was the one that destroyed Aurelian in thread and sent the wagon back to him. Then he dismissed this line of attack entirely and went with me being a “hostile indy” that shouldn’t be listened to
likewise his initial push of Cp was because CP went to cheekily bully yoshi into claiming and then changed his mind because he thought yoshi’s reaction seemed Town. He tried to paint this as a contradiction from cp without taking anything in between into account and never even acknowledged it despite CP explaining numerous times why he changed his mind. He then started going at cp for “buddying” me instead and even when cp claimed a role that is about 90% proven and if real then 99% town and ignored that to keep sussing him because it doesn’t fit the world he’s pushing
likewise he keeps pointing back to an old case against lethal and didn’t take lethals claim into account at all, instead just moved to discredit it without taking any kind of implications of the claim into account or why lethal would claim something that encourages Town to hammer him. He’s also just using the tact that “lethal is just responding with shit” to appeal to peoples desire to lynch somebody playing like that which is the lowest hanging fruit.
He’s literally accused every single person voting for him of being scum and OMGUSing him. Appealed to emotion by trying to paint it was WS vs WG despite the fact that’s nonsense and then tried to use Doddsy “voting along with a hostile indy” as some kinda gotcha even though it makes no sense.
I get that town are stubborn, but he has shown himself to be acting in bad faith consistently throughout the game and in all of his pushes
I should say - mine seems to be as different. Some difference is a given, but I feel like the crux of our scum hunting has led to entirely different perspectives which... I can't be too focused on right now without seeing flips.As far as X/BPD goes - I've rarely seen him as emotional as he has been at parts this game. I would actually lean town given that I can reconcile his posts as someone caught in his viewpoint, I am a bit concerned that mine seems to be different from his. An Ultra scum flip, if that is the direction of the day, would have me reconsider this. Likewise, a Lethal scum flip would have me just lock him in as town.
Do let me know actually, I was surprised to see you on there and not, say, Null or something.
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