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re: Dragon

I've re-read through his interaction with Doddsy. Can see what Poyser is referring to regarding goal posts being moved.

Still think he's town though as scum wouldn't need to put in that much effort to get the ball rolling on me. Idk.
 
RDK said:
I hadn't really been worried about Ultra until this interaction but it was just so inherently untowny.

He tries to discredit a player entirely instead of actually showing any interest in their play.

As town you would want to encourage activity and input from everyone but here he basically attempts to destroy rugrats growing thread presence in a hostile manner.

I missed a quote here but he tells Rugrat to "go back to lurkerland"

Not only is this not a pro-town thing to say, it's actually also bad because it kind of validates rugrats feelings as being real and not coming from a place of scum.

If he hates what rugrat is doing enough to tell him to fuck off, why isn't he probing him on it or suspecting him for it?
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He did exactly the same with me Day 1 too. He kept asking everyone their thoughts about me but never addressed me directly. When I returned and interacted, he didn't have any questions or game related content to ask me about regarding my play but kept making aggressive comments and suggesting I was unconfident scum.
Ultra said:
You asked me "WhY aRe YoU fOcUsInG oN jUsT mY fIrSt FeW hOuRs Of PlAy"? When that was in fact the entire sum of your play up until a couple of hours ago.

What else am I supposed to fucking do read tarot cards?
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Ultra said:
Local man with no contributions asks for reads list, news at 11
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Ultra said:
You're transparently ass blasted.

I'm not going to ask questions to a brick fucking wall. You were Gone. Simple explanation. This only makes sense as a contradiction in your head as you grasp for something to bludgeon me with so I shit up.

This is also why I'm not giving you a reads list. I normally don't mind being transparent, but I get the impression you're trying to redirect my energy. It's not exactly like I haven't given reads on at least half the players in the game through just my play, so if you're really burning with curiosity, feel free to ISO me.

I don't have my dick in my hand, I have *yours*. It's over for you scum boy.
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Ultra said:
Ah yes, my mistake, I should have queued a question about one of your many riveting insights and waited in heated anticipation for you thesis on why it's too early to read lethal as town or whatever
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It also just occurred to me, why didn't Aurelia just claim Bodyguard lol. I certainly would have just told him to claim bodyguard and I think there are a handful of people here I'd expect to have done the same.
 
Evans said:
He did exactly the same with me Day 1 too. He kept asking everyone their thoughts about me but never addressed me directly. When I returned and interacted, he didn't have any questions or game related content to ask me about regarding my play but kept making aggressive comments and suggesting I was unconfident scum.
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If he's suggest you're scum I wouldn't be as worried about it, did you feel like he was actually ready to push you for it?

With rugrat it just looked like an attempt to discredit but I didn't think he ever actually looked suspicious of rugrat which is what I found strange.

I'm gonna go read back a bit
 
RDK said:
If he's suggest you're scum I wouldn't be as worried about it, did you feel like he was actually ready to push you for it?

With rugrat it just looked like an attempt to discredit but I didn't think he ever actually looked suspicious of rugrat which is what I found strange.

I'm gonna go read back a bit
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In Ratchets case I did see a vote for Evans so he did try at least do that compared to what you’re saying about Rugrat. Both sets of posts are supremely aggro and dismissive though regardless.
 
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RDK said:
I hadn't really been worried about Ultra until this interaction but it was just so inherently untowny.

He tries to discredit a player entirely instead of actually showing any interest in their play.

As town you would want to encourage activity and input from everyone but here he basically attempts to destroy rugrats growing thread presence in a hostile manner.

I missed a quote here but he tells Rugrat to "go back to lurkerland"

Not only is this not a pro-town thing to say, it's actually also bad because it kind of validates rugrats feelings as being real and not coming from a place of scum.

If he hates what rugrat is doing enough to tell him to fuck off, why isn't he probing him on it or suspecting him for it?
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Worst part about this was Rugrat was voting retro and not ultra so the kind of triggered responses he was given are bizarre as fuck. Unless ultra knows retro’s alignment ofc lol. He showed no curiosity whatsoever
 
Looking at Dragon's case on CP, he starts off with reference to fluff just like he did with mine. Also has an issue with CP stating he's gonna sheep Poyser. Tries to suggest CP is distancing by voting Fang early on, yet I'm bussing by NOT voting until late? Trying to paint CP and I together a lot, which is where he had issue with me painting Ekko and Fang together - interesting how what's good for the goose isn't that good for the gander. Shades him for not voting Ratchet but earlier on it's distancing when he did vote Fang? Wait, now there's a hint of making excuses for withdrawing a vote from Fang. Does have some consistency about CP being inconsistent.

Ehhhhh I dunno. I'm stubborn on it being a town slot, but when looking through the eyes of others, it's looking cloudy for sure.
 
RDK said:
It also just occurred to me, why didn't Aurelia just claim Bodyguard lol. I certainly would have just told him to claim bodyguard and I think there are a handful of people here I'd expect to have done the same.
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Yeah was a real weird one. Was so much time in between his pressure and the claim too so definitely enough time for his team to weigh in. I’d say the simplest answer is that Aurelian just decided to disregard the advice?
 
RDK said:
If he's suggest you're scum I wouldn't be as worried about it, did you feel like he was actually ready to push you for it?

With rugrat it just looked like an attempt to discredit but I didn't think he ever actually looked suspicious of rugrat which is what I found strange.

I'm gonna go read back a bit
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A lot of started from the discussion about my meta as being unconfident when I'm scum. He had plenty of opportunity to push or engage but went for the aggressive route but with no actual attempt solve or push his angle. Which I don't really get. He just threw a vote down and never followed up on me at all
 
I think the whole claim was misplayed to be honest. They originally went into a bodyguard-like claim which then got changed into something else and between that and the drip-feeding of the claim it looks like there was confusion as to what should actually be said. I don't want to get too caught up into this because without being in the scum chat it's hard to know what the exact plan was, but I'd be surprised if it was smoothly executed. The inde part felt tacked on.
 
Poyser said:
Because his progression shows a clear agenda. Multiple times he has decided he wants to push someone, twisted facts to fit his narrative and then ignored any new info in order to keep pushing. Like he started out the day by trying to paint me as a wolf that tried to save Aurelian and even went as far as to quote an old vote count that was posted much earlier in day ti “prove that”. He got torn to shreds and then pivoted to it doesn’t matter where I ended up because the point is I tried to get votes away from him. Not once did he address multiple people bringing up the fact that I also was the one that destroyed Aurelian in thread and sent the wagon back to him. Then he dismissed this line of attack entirely and went with me being a “hostile indy” that shouldn’t be listened to

likewise his initial push of Cp was because CP went to cheekily bully yoshi into claiming and then changed his mind because he thought yoshi’s reaction seemed Town. He tried to paint this as a contradiction from cp without taking anything in between into account and never even acknowledged it despite CP explaining numerous times why he changed his mind. He then started going at cp for “buddying” me instead and even when cp claimed a role that is about 90% proven and if real then 99% town and ignored that to keep sussing him because it doesn’t fit the world he’s pushing

likewise he keeps pointing back to an old case against lethal and didn’t take lethals claim into account at all, instead just moved to discredit it without taking any kind of implications of the claim into account or why lethal would claim something that encourages Town to hammer him. He’s also just using the tact that “lethal is just responding with shit” to appeal to peoples desire to lynch somebody playing like that which is the lowest hanging fruit.

He’s literally accused every single person voting for him of being scum and OMGUSing him. Appealed to emotion by trying to paint it was WS vs WG despite the fact that’s nonsense and then tried to use Doddsy “voting along with a hostile indy” as some kinda gotcha even though it makes no sense.

I get that town are stubborn, but he has shown himself to be acting in bad faith consistently throughout the game and in all of his pushes
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As far as X/BPD goes - I've rarely seen him as emotional as he has been at parts this game. I would actually lean town given that I can reconcile his posts as someone caught in his viewpoint, I am a bit concerned that mine seems to be different from his. An Ultra scum flip, if that is the direction of the day, would have me reconsider this. Likewise, a Lethal scum flip would have me just lock him in as town.
 
Ratchet said:
As far as X/BPD goes - I've rarely seen him as emotional as he has been at parts this game. I would actually lean town given that I can reconcile his posts as someone caught in his viewpoint, I am a bit concerned that mine seems to be different from his. An Ultra scum flip, if that is the direction of the day, would have me reconsider this. Likewise, a Lethal scum flip would have me just lock him in as town.
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I should say - mine seems to be as different. Some difference is a given, but I feel like the crux of our scum hunting has led to entirely different perspectives which... I can't be too focused on right now without seeing flips.
 
Ratchet said:
Do let me know actually, I was surprised to see you on there and not, say, Null or something.
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So i definitely had posted. I had popped in and asked what’s going on, had my back and forth with RDK and then voted Aurelian when Pein said that was the direction. So there were posts to make a read off of or comment on but he literally never acknowledged me or mentioned me prior to putting me in the scum pile on his reads list.
 
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