Game Elden Ring Mafia

[EkkoLoJinx]

I think Soul's wagonomics analysis post gives him good town cred. I think that maybe he did focus on Poyser a bit too much, but he sincerely did not buy Poyser's claim. I thought how he handled himself around Fang was genuine. I also did think he gave time and read me and Ultra's cases on Lethal and made and informed decision to join that wagon with us.

There's also another thing. In his big reads list, he read me as town because he thought that it would be tough for me to fake emotions. Soul said 'BLD seems genuine, if he's faking this, then I've been fooled, kudos to him' (paraphrasing). I feel like for Soul to make that comment, to appeal to my emotions, is just some real inception shit and I see that as him being sympathetic to my plight this game and thinking I'm a genuine townie.

i dont rly see it tbh. u have the quotes? the wagonometrics was mostly busy work and he didnt even push the people he scum read from it lol

 

[Ultra]

I believe you have better things you could be doing?

Not on mobile. I'll post my Dalton case later

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I'm Ranni btw, the ability from n1 is called Grace of the Full Moon.

why did u think it was necessary to hold this claim yesterday? this seems like a fodder npc

 

[Ratchet]

why did u think it was necessary to hold this claim yesterday? this seems like a fodder npc

Ranni is one of the most popular characters in the game.

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Ultra and Black Dragon are scum. Ekko might be scum with them as well given he is suddenly trying to shade me now

so what he was saying about u omgusing is just true amazing

 

[Dr. Watson]

Is this info? I believe he’s town. He’s done nothing to help stop himself being lynched with a slow weak claim and doesn’t really seem like a scum on the ropes.

I’m not a great scum Hunter and there are usually enough directions early on (obviously I won’t let scum dictate play later on). I’ll just find town reads and then follow those guys.

^ are we saying this isn’t trying to discredit me?

I’m not that arsed about lynching Lethal and thought I’d see who bought on Tweet since I was fairly sure he was town

Because I think he’s town. I’ve given my reasons that I don’t see him tunnelling right out of the bat when he’s a cautious player as scum, and I don’t see him doing the disservice to his team of ignoring a case on him as soon as the game begins

are these actually legit reasons to you?

is this how you navigate town reads?

"he has to be town because he's doing something i don't think scum would."
but you're assuming and basing this off on the theory that's what the current scum tactic is? how would you even know what their plan is here?
are you sure that people who suspected him for his emotional play earlier are now vouching for him purely in good faith?
you haven't given these any real critical thoughts.
so if i said, "aurelian has to be town, his reaction to the lynch doesn't make sense" it's a good enough reason to not vote? it's a good enough reason to not try to address?
your reasonings for lynching and not lynching, regardless of motive, feel disconnected from the actual discussion and fears that were being discussed and talked about.
you haven't even involved yourself in the very discussions that you claim AM was dodging.
and part of your reasoning, apparently, is "im not a good scum hunter."
how do your reasons connect to the bigger picture? being a bad scum hunter should not prevent you from making your own observations on the current state of the game.
and if you think it should, why? why does being a bad scum hunter, chaotic voting patterns or whatever, absolve you of solving the game with us?

and i tend to to see you saying "it's a clever strategy" as contradictory to being a bad scum hunter. if you have this level of strategy based play in you, to save a town from a lynch if you prefer, surely you'd use it?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

Also Poyser being a self motivated indie isn't a surprise but I'm glad the SK resolved him for us. Exactly what I wanted and advocated for!

what?

 

[Big Man]

Thoughts on Ultra… or the rest of play?

I mentioned a couple pages back he had some contradictory play around aurelian on day 1 which he hasn't responded to my questioning of, so I'd lean scum based on that

 

[Dr. Watson]

what?

this is like

basically gaslighting

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I really don't like being tied with Ultra, for better or for worse. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me.

I suggested RDK as a possible CFD just because I was rereading him and Fang's interactions and thinking about Ekko's POV. I do think RDK is town, but I've also been tricked by him before. I tossed his name out to see what people had to say. I think the CFD was a bit of a wild time and I wanted to see reactions and also not have a no lynch.

that seems like bullshit lol. u dont throw the name of a player u think is town for reactions. what reactions have u obtained?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

certianly not in an EoD where town is confused and has no direction

 

[T-Pein™]

Kekko just talking trash tbh

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

ratchet/evans interaction seems town town tbh

 

[Ratchet]

ratchet/evans interaction seems town town tbh

Reasons?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I'll be transparent here, since I still have theories of my own, and it's important info.

I did send an action to you. There was no "action failed" by the Host.

was it investigative? u wud only receive action failed for those

matter of fact u will probably receive "no result" thats what ws folks use

if u havnt received anything it means either u got ur result if investigative and ultra is lying, or ur ability isnt investigative

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

I was hoping to avoid this in the interests of fairness, so I think the best thing for me to do is claim - I can't be certain scum haven't investigated my role anyway. After dinner, though.

i dont think there is a need for it unless it helps us find optimal lynch here?

 

[EkkoLoJinx]

btw @RDK can u talk about wtf was that between u and poyser yesterday pls? u received something or send something to him?

 

[Evans]

Reasons?

I thought it was an invigorating opinion tbh

 

[Dr. Watson]

Dang, I'm really feeling this actually! Hence my post about there being an echo/Ekko. Feels like Ekko is snuggling up to Poyser hard which is a 180 from the previous game where he was scum and Poyser was town. A deliberate attempt to reverse his meta? What say you @Poyser ?

Yeah and he was scum and I was town so that means that allegation came FROM HIS IMAGINATION

Ratchet going there puts me in a predicament for sure!

the good news is we have a default lynch tomorrow in poyser, confirmed indie

Don't worry I'll throw poyser overboard as soon as d2 if I'm not vibing with him lol he's just a good d1 player and it's not too hard to figure out he's scum if he's not delivering results. Though people are usually reluctant to lynch him later but I'm feeling like I'd be able to get support for that in this game if it came to it!

And that's why I sheep Poyser D1

Also I reread the entire thread yesterday but my notes are on my work laptop which I haven't opened today yet lolol

I really didn't like Ultras play though. His commentary around Aurelian was totally benign and lacking substance until Aurelian cracked and said his only motivation was malice. It was only then he voted and was like "oh obviously I'm going to kill him". Wasn't a fan

Also felt a lot better about Ratchet, think he's likely town

Retro similar to ultra just wasn't taking a stance at all and was very happy to chat about stuff that had nothing to do with anyone's alignment while the wagon was going on. Dislike!

BPD's tunneling of poyser just to vote Aurelian without saying why until asked, then parroted almost word for word my reasoning and others but continued to sus poyser and then start tunneling me with BS which showed he clearly hadn't read my posts. Now he's doing the same thing with Poysers votes? We need to yeet this guy at some point

I don't see ekko or tpeins play around Aurelian as mafia at all

Nope I really don't see how anyone can be like "yes, we should be pushing poyser or RDK today" after the Mafia flip

And my sheeping another player led to dead mafia. what'd you do d1? oh right you didn't vote until they admitted they were griefing us

you can't say I'm sheeping poyser on BPD. I was going much harder at him d1 than poyser was. this was obviously where I was going d2.

in my mind poyser was the main person who caught and lynched aurelian so I can't see myself choosing your wagon over one he's backing. especially because I was very unconvinced by your and Ultra's play around Aurelian's wagon. Poyser also has an outstanding track record of reading lethal. I do agree that the point ultra raised re: Lethal would be damning for the generic mafia player, but lethal is kind of spacey and even as town will throw a lot of crap against the wall. played with him for idk like 6-8 years now. if poyser thinks there's merit to the lethal lynch I'd consider changing.

well in my mind you deliberately quoted my posts out of context and twisted their meaning so I don't trust you for that

poyser *could* be an anti-town indie, power roles can look into it. for now, he's the guy who caught mafia d1 and I don't suspect bussing at all. his character is mod-confirmed too as non-Golden Order. I'll always back that guy no matter who it is.

mind explaining your thought process to me on why you think you mayve led poyser to kill mafia by seeping?

...and if you were doing that n1, that one shot got in the way of leading him to scum?
wouldn't your day 1 efforts be moot in this case?

let's say you're masterminding directing poyser to players by buddying him and advocating for him

...when his role flipped, he seems to be far more detrimental to town, no? why would you trust poyser as an indie when wincons will either be omitted to lied about? what made you so certain this seeping plan wouldn't backfire on you and town?

 

[Rugrat]

are these actually legit reasons to you?

is this how you navigate town reads?

"he has to be town because he's doing something i don't think scum would."
but you're assuming and basing this off on the theory that's what the current scum tactic is? how would you even know what their plan is here?
are you sure that people who suspected him for his emotional play earlier are now vouching for him purely in good faith?
you haven't given these any real critical thoughts.
so if i said, "aurelian has to be town, his reaction to the lynch doesn't make sense" it's a good enough reason to not vote? it's a good enough reason to not try to address?
your reasonings for lynching and not lynching, regardless of motive, feel disconnected from the actual discussion and fears that were being discussed and talked about.
you haven't even involved yourself in the very discussions that you claim AM was dodging.
and part of your reasoning, apparently, is "im not a good scum hunter."
how do your reasons connect to the bigger picture? being a bad scum hunter should not prevent you from making your own observations on the current state of the game.
and if you think it should, why? why does being a bad scum hunter, chaotic voting patterns or whatever, absolve you of solving the game with us?

and i tend to to see you saying "it's a clever strategy" as contradictory to being a bad scum hunter. if you have this level of strategy based play in you, to save a town from a lynch if you prefer, surely you'd use it?

I form town reads and then follow based on that.

I’ve played a lot with Lethal and have a good read of his town play. I don’t think he’s able to replicate that as scum, which is why I determined him to be town.

I gave my views at the time. When there was a big wagon on Tweet, I think I was the first to say he was town (which Alco has somewhat supported).

I was big on Lethal being town and got accused of “derailing” the wagon, so I would argue my thoughts were relevant at the time.

I don’t have innate levels of strategy play or the influence to prevent town lynches sadly