Game Elden Ring Mafia

[Poyser]

I think his attempt to discredit your town read of lethal lacked logic and merit. Suggesting he would be bolder on a new forum because he can recreate himself doesn't track with me as most of the players here knowing him already anyway, so the idea seemed like a reach. Especially when lethal wouldn't want to draw attention to himself as scum which he surely would if he came out with a whole new meta.

Oh yeah I get and agree with that 100%
At the risk of being a dick tho I kind of expect that kind of stuff from town evans lol. He’s always been hesitant to give town reads really. He’s more of a “I wanna find scum” type of player. I’m sure he’s had a similar kind of argument with magic in the past with the easy town reads he gives out early but I don’t have anything other than some kind of vague recollection

 

[Tempest]

As far as Aurelian is concerned, not to be contrarian but if he is known as Fang, there is a Fang on another site I and a few others play on that plays *almost exactly* like this. His posts are impossible to decipher and it often feels like he exists on a different plane than the rest of us. He did lean into this in one recent scum game I've seen, there was a clear plan to follow and he spent all day arguing around it. I could see him playing like that as both town and scum, I just don't think there will be much value in trying to engage with him about his post content - you have better chance of drawing blood from stone.

bro what we can't just ignore him all game or hope he gets copped! lol!

 

[Ratchet]

Okay, Ratchet. You don't think I get how days work or how this game works? Do you think I'm not a player who usually tried to push things forward? I'm saying that twenty posts into the game, Poyser trying to retroactively day his soft town read of Lethal was an attempt to push the game forward, is a reason I don't really believe. I think Poyser's actions and posts could make more sense from someone trying to establish a position within the game rather than someone trying to help the game state. I also think that there are more productive ways to push a game forward than soft town reading someone after three posts they made.

I only need to read the first line to know engaging with you on this will be a waste of time and energy. You said it was too early to worry about pushing the game forward, I am telling you in this format there is no such thing as "too early to push the game forward", hence I find your argument weak.

 

[Tempest]

Also not really getting "exists on a different plane of existence where he exists and we do not exist" vibes from him

 

[The X]

Why are you saying they 'could make more sense' rather than they do make more sense? This feels wishy washy.

It's like you're saying this could make him towny or scummy but I'm choosing to think it makes him scummy.

Because I obviously don't know the truth at this point so I'm saying it could be this or that. Don't mistake that for my confidence, though. I'm leaning Poyser as wolf here.

 

[Poyser]

Why are you saying they 'could make more sense' rather than they do make more sense? This feels wishy washy.

It's like you're saying this could make him towny or scummy but I'm choosing to think it makes him scummy.

Also ignores results as well. “There are better ways to move the game forward” but it objectively did move the game forward lol

 

[Alco]

Also not really getting "exists on a different plane of existence where he exists and we do not exist" vibes from him

Yea I was gonna say this.

This looks pretty straight forward: he made a silly line then went out of his way to defend it and now finds himself in quite the pickle!

 

[Tempest]

I've been digging Pendex until now but that last post was Ratchet!

 

[Aurelian]

Wasn't a huge fan of Yoshi's sudden switcharoo there, but it's their 2nd game apparently? So I think I'm just gonna ignore that for now.

I think this is kind of a very weak cop-out on Yoshi being suspicious and hand-waving it off with him being a newbie in mafia to just give the guy the benefit of doubt. Attacks one player and weakly tries to press on them by suggesting RDK was deflecting from any pressure on him (when there was none) to have his engagement with me, then for no real discernible reason, switches on another (me)in the start of the game coming off incredibly suspicious and opportunistic tends to be a fairly obvious, if bad, scummy play style for them.

He doesn't seem like he's playing to establish more so then help misdirect a potential lynch.

 

[Poyser]

As far as Aurelian is concerned, not to be contrarian but if he is known as Fang, there is a Fang on another site I and a few others play on that plays *almost exactly* like this. His posts are impossible to decipher and it often feels like he exists on a different plane than the rest of us. He did lean into this in one recent scum game I've seen, there was a clear plan to follow and he spent all day arguing around it. I could see him playing like that as both town and scum, I just don't think there will be much value in trying to engage with him about his post content - you have better chance of drawing blood from stone.

Do you understand what he’s being pushed for?

 

[RDK]

Why are you saying they 'could make more sense' rather than they do make more sense? This feels wishy washy.

It's like you're saying this could make him towny or scummy but I'm choosing to think it makes him scummy.

With this being said, Poyser hasn't done anything so far to make me lean either way, I like that we have mostly been mindmelding but I'm not blind to the fact that this could be by design. The content he generated off my initial shade on yoshi for example was very, very easy. Even if it's the same stuff I'd be asking them.

Having looked back over lethals past games I don't think they're much alignment indication to be had based on timing of entrance but I will say he felt more natural here off the bat than he has in some recent past scum games.

 

[Ratchet]

bro what we can't just ignore him all game or hope he gets copped! lol!

Think results-based rather than reading him based on the strength of his arguments. Who is he engaging with, who is he voting, etc.

Also not really getting "exists on a different plane of existence where he exists and we do not exist" vibes from him

You are entitled to form your own opinion, of course. As I am mine.

 

[Tempest]

I think this is kind of a very weak cop-out on Yoshi being suspicious and hand-waving it off with him being a newbie in mafia to just give the guy the benefit of doubt. Attacks one player and weakly tries to press on them by suggesting RDK was deflecting from any pressure on him (when there was none) to have his engagement with me, then for no real discernible reason, switches on another (me)in the start of the game coming off incredibly suspicious and opportunistic tends to be a fairly obvious, if bad, scummy play style for them.

He doesn't seem like he's playing to establish more so then help misdirect a potential lynch.

Thoughts on being outed as not existing?

 

[Poyser]

I think this is kind of a very weak cop-out on Yoshi being suspicious and hand-waving it off with him being a newbie in mafia to just give the guy the benefit of doubt. Attacks one player and weakly tries to press on them by suggesting RDK was deflecting from any pressure on him (when there was none) to have his engagement with me, then for no real discernible reason, switches on another (me)in the start of the game coming off incredibly suspicious and opportunistic tends to be a fairly obvious, if bad, scummy play style for them.

He doesn't seem like he's playing to establish more so then help misdirect a potential lynch.

If that bottom line is true then why defend you in the first place at all?

 

[Tempest]

Think results-based rather than reading him based on the strength of his arguments. Who is he engaging with, who is he voting, etc.
You are entitled to form your own opinion, of course. As I am mine.

AI shouldn't have opinions!

 

[Ultra]

All this talk about moving the game forward and I suddenly realize X hasn't offered a certain alliance of a supreme variety

 

[The X]

I only need to read the first line to know engaging with you on this will be a waste of time and energy. You said it was too early to worry about pushing the game forward, I am telling you in this format there is no such thing as "too early to push the game forward", hence I find your argument weak.

Well you're assuming I'm some sort of newb here. You ask this condescending questions like I don't know this game. If Poyser wants to soft town read Lethal early in the game, fine, do that and leave it. But he didn't do that. He tried to give a lengthy explanation about Lethal's meta. Then he later tried to say he did it all in the name of pushing the game forward. These three thought processes Poyser has had, I feel is somewhat contradictory.

 

[Ratchet]

Do you understand what he’s being pushed for?

I believe so - his entrance explaining his absence is a fair reason to scum read him. His follow-ups and further engagement, while also fair, are something of a false positive.

 

[The X]

Also ignores results as well. “There are better ways to move the game forward” but it objectively did move the game forward lol

That's not the point I'm making at all. I'm not denying that what you did moved the game forward.

 

[Aurelian]

Also not really getting "exists on a different plane of existence where he exists and we do not exist" vibes from him

Its weird Ratchet would make that comment about me given that multiple players in other games who have gotten to play with him have voiced similar problems about his posting style in mafia games in general but given he dislikes me and I dislike him, as far as mafia is concerned, its not surprising he'll throw shade at me and vice versa. Several of us new to playing with Ratchet have had issues with his "logic" and general ramblings.

No one else at any rate in any of the past games I've played with him, have ever shared that idea I'm somehow "results" based and not logic based or that I'm some kind of enigma to draw issue with my play style. Its just him.